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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Just because he doesn't speak English should not be a problem in and of itself, as we have done several interviews with translators before.

    Bute is one of the fighters I've been working on getting and I am still very interested in having him on the program.

    I'll keep trying!

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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Can you give me one example?

    Like I said, I call it like I see it. Look no further than the heavyweight division. :lol:

    Beyond that, though...

    I would pick Pacquiao over Floyd.
    I would pick Klitschko over any American heavyweight.
    I would pick Ward over anyone from 175 down.

    That's because in each instance, this is what I believe. Whether a fighter is American or not means nothing to me, really, especially when it comes to picking fights.

    I am wrong plenty of times, and many would go so far as to claim I am AWFUL when it comes to picking fights.

    As far as the Super Six goes, I am 8 for 8 in the tournament, and 9 for 9 if you include Ward-Bika. This doesn't mean I'm correct about Ward-Froch, but I believe Ward established himself as the top dog and the man to beat since he dominated tournament favorite Kessler in Group Stage 1. I also believe head-to-head that Ward is far too versatile for Froch.

    I do, however, think Froch (like Ward) has an extremely high and oftentimes underrated ring IQ.
     
  3. WesT

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    I'm surprised if he refused you. I'm guessing you didn't catch him on the phone.
    Looking forward to. :good
    There are many question to be answered. Should be interesting.
    Keep trying! :yep
     
  4. Rumsfeld

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    I will 100% definitely keep trying!
    :good

    Hopefully some time early next year.
     
  5. Big Dunk

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    have to agree with Rumsfield and Boxing Girl here. The points she made to me last week changed my mind, just got caught up in the Froch hype. althought i do get what rainmaker means about how Froch has accomplished more.

    1. Ward
    2. Froch
    3. Bute

    The great thing is we will know for sure in 2011. I do remember on the show this week boxing girl saying the Ward vs Kessler result was not affected by the location which I do disagree with. It would of been a closer fight with Ward out of his comfort zone and he wouldn't of got away with the head butting in Europe.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    I honestly don't think the 'head-butting' was as much of a factor as many seem to indicate.

    Ward was dominating Kessler in every facet of the game more or less from the opening bell. Whatever Kessler tried, Ward was two steps ahead of him. There just was never a point where Kessler was truly in control of that fight, to the point where he was even toying with Kessler at times and perhaps getting a bit uncharacteristically careless at times.

    Ward beats Kessler by a wide margin no matter where that fight happens, from what I saw.

    Ward is simply a cut above Kessler.

    I suspect Froch to be a much tougher foe for Ward than Kessler was, even though Kessler's style matched up well with Froch.

    One thing about 'The Cobra' is he better not start getting it in his mind that he is a master boxer. DON'T GET ME WRONG! He is an outstanding boxer, and he's super smart and disciplined when he wants to be, too. But outboxing Abraham was smart and made sense. He better not try and beat Ward on tactical grounds.

    For him to beat Ward he is going to need to do the types of things he did when he fought Dirrell.

    In a way, the worst thing for Froch would be to put on another good tactical effort against Johnson, but that's probably the smartest way to approach Johnson. Froch controlled Abraham with his jab, and he can probably control 'The Road Warrior' with his jab as well, but doing so with Ward will prove to be a much tougher proposition.
     
  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    The cut on Kessler was clearly caused by a head butt. That affected Kesslers performance. I still think Ward beats Kessler no matter what, but in Denmark he would be getting points taken away for the butting and holding which can be excessive.

    Agree with you about his tactics. Froch is clearly a very intelligent fighter with under rated skills. If you watch the Pascal fight again he starts of brawling but controls the last 6 rounds to win the fight. If he had done that agaisnt Kessler he could have won it. Against Johnson he will need to box more, but your right he won't be able to against Ward. He needs to make it a brawl.

    A Froch vs Ward final would almost certainly be outside of Oakland, and Frochs team will put pressure before the fight on the ref not allowing any holding from Ward. He does love a clinch. If the ref is strict on it, it will be an intresting fight. If he lets Ward hold, its a wide UD for the american.
     
  8. rainmaker

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    Anyway guys the whole thing is an interesting debate. Just the fact that we got 3 top super middle weights in Froch, Bute and Ward. 2011 could be an interesting year as we could see the 3 of them facing off to end the argument as to who is the best.

    Ward certainly has the ring smarts and skills to beat Froch, but Froch has the ability to take Ward into the trenches which could see him unravel if things do not go his way. Froch will be on him from round 1 to 12 and can Ward cope with that? that is the question? how will he deal with the intensity of being dragged into a war? Neither Kessler or Green were able to do that with Ward, but Froch if he brings his A game, the Froch that went to war with Pascal, who kept up the charge against Taylor would be a formidable for the unbeaten American. Every boxer will face someone whose style will pose a big problem, and Froch may or may not be the answer. But he will ask questions that no other boxer has asked.

    It's by no means certain that Froch beats Johnson as he's a rough tough guy, but surely at his advanced age, would come up short. It's by no means a given that Ward beats Abraham either. Ward likes to jump in and get inside, Abraham doesn't mind a close quaters fight that will suit him and it may only take one punch. So interesting match ups and lets not jump the gun here. There may be a surprise or two left before we get to the final.
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Yep Johnson is a tough fight for anyone just see Froch having to much.
     
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    holy sh...i cant find the search option. where is that stupid search button?
     
  11. Badlok

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    Look with the search option to fin the search :yep
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    You guys always deliver. Thank you :happy
     
  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    We try!
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    Thanks for your continued support!

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