Roy jones jr never got in the ring with julian jackson, mcclellan or benn

Whomever was a favorite to beat Hopkins...CJ, that just doesn't matter at all. They don't look at this stuff when negotiating. What is look at is, and it should NOT need to be said on a boxing board, who the bigger star was, and it was RJJ by quite a bit.

 

he did beat Tarver the first time he fought him...

 

I knew that.

 

Bud, you gotta stop with nonsense! Criticism and praise of both fighters is legit, but to say Hopkins would kicks jones’s ass in a rematch foolish. Hopkins was punked by Roy in the worst way imaginable: on live HBO, “Bernard, I already beat you. I left middleweight so you could get a belt...60 / 40 and I WHOOP YOUR ASS!!!” Ol’ Snagglepuss just sat there stupid and stuttering.

 

How is any of that relevant to this debate?

You have accused Roy of ducking a rematch with him. Yet he demanded $10m or no fight.

He turned down $6m, when his biggest purse up to that point had been $2.5m against Tito.

After turning down $6m, he then had a year out before coming back and fighting someone for $1.5m.

Roy did not duck him. He sent his advisors to make the fight along with the HBO's execs, and he also agreed to drop back to 168 for a C-W.

It was Bernard Hopkins who ducked the rematch.

 

Run along troll.

 

the first guy from MW to HW to put up a fight? Your post is a joke. Why did you write it here, you've ruined your rep with a single utterance.

why was he getting floored by a shot 40 yr old? or indeed in the ring with him as his career highlight?

youtube comments next time, where you can claim that sugar ray leonard's first real resistance was with hector camacho.

 

He doesn't.

Not for not going to Germany and for the Hopkins rematch falling through.


How's things?

 

I’ve never been critical of RJJ to be honest, but I was unaware of half of that, you didn’t quote sources, but if true top work.

It’s not exclusive to boxing, but people
get irrational hatred of things and won’t budge an inch, the opposite of that is also true. Too much hype and not enough truth.

probabably because the boxers themselves do it. Claiming greatness and all your opponents are weak sauce at the same time is dumb.

 

You can have the sources if you wish.

 

No need to research I lived through it. You can defend his record, but I won't. Now, I'll defend his skill level because every fight there is ample proof that he was a special fighter.


However, Any fighter who wins a title, then spends the next couple fights having non-title fights aka Malinga & Cherino... has to be discussed. Those 2 names sound like a sitcom that failed after 2 episodes.

Worse is being okay with taking a title back without having to fight for it--- Rocchigiani-Nunn was a championship bout, three months later it is called a typographical error? No way should RJJ have been okay with getting a belt back like that.

See if we put that in today's time...I think every board would be lit up like a Christmas tree over that. Disagree?
What research about that fiasco did I miss? I'm down, if I need schoolin, lead me to the facts I missed. But there was no youtube or boxingforum24 back then to discuss it. so it's lost among the next generation.


He even moved up & down from MW to SMW twice. What for if it wasn't about unifying MW? great talent, but his record is suspect.

 

His resume could have been better for sure. Any fighter's resume could be.

What I'm defending is the myth that he was happy to fight low level guys. He wasn't.

Fights with Dariusz, Hopkins and Liles were lined up, but they weren't interested.

There was nothing wrong with him fighting Malinga and Chirino in 2 non title bouts, as he went on to fight James Toney afterwards, who was considered a top 3 P4P fighter at the time.

Regarding the WBC fiasco, no, I can't defend that. It was absolutely outrageous for them to give Roy the belt back after he'd relinquished it. Also, I don't agree with how he messed Nunn around.

 

He got in the ring with James Toney and Bernard Hopkins