yeah what better moment than when he beat the great john ruiz....u got to be kidding me...the all time cherry pick and he should retire after that?....haye moves up and calls out both klits and rjj fights john ****ing ruiz
thats true but like it or not that's going to be a sign of the times more than not. doesn't make it any more right but in hindsight people will say jones ruled his division on the biggest stage of all. jones might not have taken as many chances as he could have but was still the legit champ aned ruled his division with an iron fist - it's only the disparity in the federations that changes that.
Top 20 ATG:deal In his prime he was a God with gloves and the best H2H fighter in history. The true definition of a stylistic nightmare.:deal
i agree with you totally. but if you're talking pvp elite then you're also talking about a perfect world and jones never pushed those boundaries. but he was carved out of wood and there's no doubt about that.
"Roy was 35 when he got brutally KOed and had NEVER been in a war like Louis, Leonard, or Ali all who had been in several wars during their career's. You can't even make that comparison Roy was pampered compared to those fighters. Plus, all three of them were past 35 when they lost at the end of their careers. Roy's resume is crap compared to any legit top 30 fighter all time much less top 10." I'm so sick of people always praising the old fighters, ballplayers, whatever. Athletes these days eat better, have better health habits, better training and work-out technology, and, with the internet, access to a pleathera of film and fact about every fighter out there. On top of it all, you think boxing is corrupt now? The mafia used to control the sport... I'm talking fixing fights and giving title shots to opponents who took dives or did what they were told. Boxing was corrupt as hell back then, so who really knows what is what as far as outcomes? If Roy took a time machine back to the 1940s and fought a Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, or Ezzard Charles.. If they were prime for prime.. Roy wouldn't lose. He'd get into wars with either men, but Roy is so much better conditioned on top of supernatural reflexes and hand speed. He'd have studied every aspect of Louis's game from internet films and whatever crazy ass technology fighters use today. Look at Louis's resume. His big rival was Max Schmerling, who knocked Joe out in the 2nd round while in his prime. Roy got knocked out for the 1st time at 35 yrs old like that by an opponent of at the least the same quality. Do you really a Schmerling that's any better quality of opponent than a Antonio Tarver, James Toney, or Bernard Hopkins? I put Louis, Ali, Robinson, Marciano, Armstrong, Leonard.. a head of Roy by the way, even though Ali had a Roy like decline in his late 30's, losing to the like of Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick for God sakes! When Roy was Ali's age, he may not have gone through those wars , which is why he isn't as great as Ali. However, he did move up and down in weight, which has serious effects on the body and he dominated the sport for 15 years, reigning as a champion for 10 years. The name of the game like Floyd Mayweather Sr said is "Hit and don't get hit." Why should Roy take heat because people say he ain't fought nobody. He just makem look like nobody! He ultimately fought bigger guys his entire career 2. Remember: Roy Jones JR. was a Junior Middleweight (154 lbs) when he broke in during the Olympics. By the peak of his career in the late-90s, he was fighting at 175 lb. For most of his career he destroyed bigger, stronger guys. Then he went up and destroyed a 226 lb man. People mock Ruiz and that it wasn't worth a dame, but like I said, at the time everyone was 50/50. It doesnt matter that Roy was a better boxer than Ruiz. One good punch from an heavyweight and a natural middleweight is out on his feet. Its very Dangerous!
You look up stylistic nightmare in the dictonary and there's a picture of of Roy Jones Jr. starring you in the ****ing face.:deal He was a terror in his prime had speed to burn highlight reel combos, TNT in both hands, could slip punches, land and almost KO at will also an underrated body puncher. Without a doubt the best fighter I have ever seen. A once in a lifetime talent who would have dominated in any era and I know we'll never see someone like him again. It's a crying shame that he didn't quit while he was still on top all it did was give his haters ammo to say he wasn't good anyway..****ing pathetic really.:-(
like i said...i agree with you... but jones, like floyd, were much, much better than their careers say they were. best fighters of their generation but neither carved everyone up - and with a talent that rare that's what we all want to happen because we feel cheated if it doesn't happen.
My bad sometimes I just get carried away.:goodI agree with what you said the best of their respective eras and hated on non-stop.
roy is black and so he can't possibly be top ten not when you have roberto "no mas" duran on many top ten lists. roy won his four title by the age of 33. roberto won his four by the age opf 38. duran was never considered the best fighter of his generation or of any decade . roy fighter of the 90's, sugar ray fighter of 80's, ali fighter of the 70's, floyd fighter of 00's duran top ten don't make me laugh. now roy top ten easily I would put him top 5.:deal
It's the classic forum mob....they think real fighters stopped being born around 1955 for some reason. Jones was a better fighter all round than Duran, no doubt about it.
i dont think jones or floyd will be hated in hindsight. their egos fuelled a whole lot and there's nothing wrong with that. it's hard for some people to remember that these guys were mere mortals until we made them more than that. try to picture them as insecure 12 year olds (like we all were) and you'll realise what self-belief it takes to get above that. these guys seized the moment so they don't deserve to be labelled in a bad way just because we wanted to see them be perfectionists. i still do it too though....
Duran is top ten easy, has the greastest win in beating Leonard, was light weight king for close to ten years,great win in beating barkley past prime and a few divisions higher. Roy is not close to Duran. Roy is top ten for talent and head to head,but his resume after Toney and Hopkins is not that good compared to others in the top 20. He did look great against Glen Kelly thou'.