no website that' s my list from another thread: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21647&page=5
Did you notice that the list is by weight class, which I strongly beleive is the best way to set a list of ATG..comparing them on their own merits within their own weigh classes...
Gotcha, but I think that Roy should be number 1 or at least number 2 at super middleweight. His resume and ability there exceeds Nunn and Liles.
There was a couple guys I never even heard of on that list, RJJ should be on anyones top 50 list wether you hate him or not. What do you got against RJJ that you must rank him so low, Im just curious.
Bert Sugars Top 100 ATG: 1) Sugar Ray Robinson 2) Henry Armstrong 3) Willie Pep 4) Joe Louis 5) Harry Greb 6) Benny Leonard 7) Muhammad Ali Roberto Duran 9) Jack Dempsey 10) Jack Johnson 11) Mickey Walker 12) Tony Canzoneri 13) Gene Tunney 14) Rocky Marciano 15) Joe Gans 16) Sam Langford 17) Julio Cesar Chavez 1 Jimmy Wilde 19) Stanley Ketchel 20) Barney Ross 21) Jimmy Mclarin 22) Archie Moore 23) Marcel Cerdan 24) Ezzard Charles 25) Sugar Ray Leonard 26) The Original Joe Walcott 27) Jake Lamotta 2 Eder Jofre 29) Emile Griffith 30) Terry Mcgovern 31) Geroge Foreman 32) Johnny Dundee 33) Jose Napoles 34) Pascual Perez 35) Billy Conn 36) Ruben Olivares 37) Joe Frazier 3 Tommy Loughran 39) Sandy Saddler 40) Kid Chocolate 41) Abe Attell 42) Evander Holyfield 43) Geroge Dixon 44) Maxie Rosenbloom 45) Larry Holmes 46) Ted 'Kid' Lewis 47) Marvelous Marvin Hagler 4 Pernell Whitaker 49) Carlos Zarate 50) Thomas Hearns 51) Battling Nelson 52) Beau Jack 53) Ricardo Lopez 54) John L. Sullivan 55) Carlos Monzon 56) Alexis Arguello 57) Carmen Basilio 5 Pete Herman 59) Charley Burley 60) Ike Williams 61) Kid Gavilan 62) Jack Britton 63) Dick Tiger 64) Pancho Villa 65) Panama Al Brown 66) Bob Fitzsimmons 67) Philadelphia Jack O'brien 6 Tiger Flowers 69) James J. Corbett 70) Tony Zale 71) Tommy Ryan 72) Georges Carpentier 73) Sonny Liston 74) 'Kid' Mccoy 75) Bob Foster 76) Freddie Welsh 77) Joe Jeannette 7 Jim Driscoll 79) Jersey Joe Walcott 80) Peter Jackson 81) Ad Wolgast 82) Jack Dempsey, The Nonpareil 83) Manuel Ortiz 84) James J. Jeffries 85) Salvador Sanchez 86) Jimmy Barry 87) Carlos Ortiz 8 Roy Jones Jr. 89) Wilfredo Gomez 90) Aaron Pryor 91) Bernard Hopkins 92) Mike Gibbons 93) Jack Delaney 94) Johnny Kilbane 95) Willie Ritchie 96) Wilfred Benitez 97) Packy McFarlane 9 Rocky Graziano 99) Lew Jenkins 100) Mike Tyson
Absolutely. He did not have the resume that some of his contemporaries did - although his resume is very underrated and unappreciated: another argument for another time - but if anyone tells you they saw a more phenomenal fighter in the 90's they are lying to you.
Sorry but I just don;t see top fighters on his resume and that's the issue here.....you find a number of good contemporary fighters but you also notice the abscence of some top notch competiton that he never fought....