Roy Jones Jr. versus Marvin Hagler

look at like this

speed: Jones
Power: Hagler
Chin: Hagler
Stamina: Hagler
Brain: Hagler
Tactics: Hagler

i cant see past hagler, he would get jones involved in a fight or he would slowly wear him down with body shots for a mid to late stoppage

 

I very much doubt that Hagler was more powerful. Jones was a natural SMW in his prime, with a lot of power. Hagler's power was very good for a MW, but not outstanding.

Jones would try and stay away, but I'm not at all sure that he would lose out everytime when trading punches. Hagler had a tremendous chin, but Jones was probably at least as powerful and a LOT quicker. He would easily beat Hagler to the punch.

Much is made out of Jones lack of chin, but he's only been KO'd at LHW when past his prime, and he has KO'd many, many guys at higher weights than MW.

 

i dont doubt hagler and jones have similar power but i rate power by using a power to chin comparison and since hagler had the better chin he had the more power to KO jones, if you get what i mean.

 

Roy might squeeze by in a 12 rd fight, it would be close but 15 rds I go with Hagler, possibly by TKO but if not then UD.

 

There's no doubt in my mind that under 168 lbs, RJJ EASILY hit harder than Hagler ... from his debut to his first adventure at LHW, Roy was an incredibly fast, very heavy-handed puncher. Hagler's chin was GREAT and in that mould he beasts all over Roy, but handspeed and power is Roy's, considerably, IMO.

 

THIS IS A GUY WHO WAS DOMINATE AT LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT

HAGLER WOULD BE OUTGUNNED

AND ROY CAN BE THE FIRST MAN TO STOP HIM

 

The only way that Roy stops him, IMO, is if Hagler is cut and/or bleeding badly and the doctor or the ref stops the fight ... as big a puncher as Roy was, can you really see him putting Hagler down, let alone, down for a count of 10?

 

I know what your saying.........Hagler had a solid chin.

I just didnt like the thread starters arrogance in not even considering the possibilty that Roy could stop Hagler.

Roy is more talented............and would outbox Hagler.

A stopage is unlikley.........but possible.

 

Define talent ... are we talking about natural athletic talents like speed and power ... cos if we are, could we then call things like durability, high pain threshold, inhuman chin, stamina etc. physical talents, cos Hagler had these in abundance.

Hagler could box from both stances more than competently, would this automatically make him one of boxing's premier 'talented' fighters?

Roy was blessed with more talent speedwise and yes, could outbox Hagler from the outside, but timing and a good jab can offset speed ... Hagler had great timing in his prime and a good jab.

When dealing with fighters of this calibre, I believe that we should tone down the rhetoric and limit the amount of absolute statements so as to not do each of these great fighters a disservice.

 

Seriously?

 

You all are underestimating the fact that Hagler is much more intelligent than Roy in the ring, and he has the bigger will to win.

 

Well, you used "chin" and "power" in separate categories, and gave Hagler the advantage in both, but ok I see what you mean.

I would probably give Jones the edge in power, though, and I don't think the difference in chin is as great as many suggest. The biggest puncher Hagler faced was a natural WW and he rocked Hagler, so it doesn't seem that big a stretch to say that a LHW would be able to KO an aging Hagler.

 

I could give Jones power, but I wouldnt say chin...

Also, another thing you all are overlooking, yeah Hearns was a natural WW, but he is a P4P hitter regardless, Tarver is not, Glen Johnson, is not.

 

Roy just seems flashier

More flair

 

I don't suggest that Jones had the better chin, Hagler's was better, I'm just saying that the difference probably isn't as big as some suggests.

I'm well aware of this. It was just a way to put things into perspective. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Hearns hit harder than these guys even as a MW.