roy jones jr vs archie moore....

Which fighter that Jones faced was as good as Moore? Answer none. Who of Jones opposition was as good as the best guys Moore fouhgt? Answer: none. We know about Moore´s power and we know that Jones´ chin is a bit shaky. We also know how good Moore was at setting traps and finishing opponents. So to me it´s very likely that Moore that´s a trap, hurts Jones and finishes him. Jones has a chance and it wouldn´t surprise me if he wins a decision but I think a KO by Moore is more likely.

 

Watch the later rounds again, last three I believe when Smith figured he didn't have a chance outside and when Burley was tiring quickly. Jones was fighting bigger opponents for 12 years now, being a natural super middleweight himself. Sorry I don't buy into Burley being a natural welterweight, nothing I have read persuades me a mature Burley was a welterweight.

How old was Burley when he quit the ring? Or rather how old was he when he had his last meaningful fight? 28 or 29 years old, that's before the start of natural detoriation of speed/reflexes for these weight divisions. Had he continued to fight on and at top level, I'd expect him end up similar to Ezzard Charles, sorry.

 

1. Moore is a better version of Toney, the styles are so similar its not funny. Now Moore does do better than Toney and would work the jab and counter rights, he just wouldnt have enough success with them

A. Moore is bigger but Hopkins is strong at LHW as we've seen and started at that weight and weighed 170+ on fight night for allot of his fights. Plus the difference in height/reach is negligable. BUT The Hopkins Jones fought is more dynamic and has better stamina/speed than Moore
B/D. Agreed, but Toney's power is no joke, there's a reason he got the name 'Lights Out'. Jones fought many punchers
C. Yes he probably does although Hopkins and Toney have a load today themselves. The more top flight experience you give Moore the less speed and athleticism he has. Its a trade off
E. No Hopkins that fought Jones was more aggressive than Moore, just watch 90s Hopkins fights for a miniute and watch Moore fights and tell me 90s Hopkins didnt throw more punches, throw more combinations and pressure more aggressively
F. Yes perhaps but he has to hurt Jones to get to finnish him
G. Debatable all 3 are excellent feinters
H. Your claiming Hopkins was drained at 160? I don't think you believe that. And Toney was always weight draining, it didn't hurt him so much in his other fights

2. Yes and Jones is allot faster, he has the same advantage in speed he had over Toney/Hopkins. You say Moore will 'cut off the ring' thats the job of a presure fighter, and Moore wasn't at his best in this role, he could do it. Have you seen the fights Jones gets pressured? His opponents usually get damaged by counter shots because they show openings. I actually think Moore try's to fight technically and gets beat at his own game, like Toney did but not quite as emphatic

3. I'm not sure Jones has enough left to take Calzaghe, he can no longer use the angles or move because his stamina and legs are gone

4. Yes Moore is a better version of Toney but defensively and how they boxed is very very similar from the footage I've seen of Moore. However I'd pick Toney as a sharper quicker counter puncher

5. How do you see Moore reacting to getting caught flush with . At least in the early rounds your seeing this as happening, are you not?

Well why are you assuming Moore's chin will take these flush shots without being fazed from the biggest puncher we've seen from 160-175 in the last 20years?

Your ignoring the fact that Moore was KO'd in and around his prime.

Moore was ko'd by Bivins in 6 at the age of 29

Moore was ko'd by Booker after been put down multiple time at the age of 27

Moore was down 4 times against Burley

Moore was down 3 times against Charles in the decisions he lost and KO'd in 8 in the final fight AGED 31

Moore was KO'd in 1 by Morrow aged 31

Moore was ko'd in 9 against Marciano aged 38

Moore was ko'd in 5 by Patterson aged 39

Is it fair to say Moore's chin is every bit as vunerable as Jones chin?

Also as were talking about the possibility of later KOs, who do you see as having the greater stamina in there? I go for Jones by a margin

6. Don't forget the KO losses

7. No Bivins wasn't as talented as Jones and he previously took Moore out. Jones was facing cruserweights who weighed in at 175 only to rehydrate to 190lbs.

Marshall ranked above Jones? On what planet, I could make a case to rate Tarver and Griffin over Marshall, based on best wins, especially Tarver who cleaned out 175.

8. You don't rate Toney's wins over Nunn (who imo would be 1 of the toughest match ups for Jones in history), McCallum (3times), Reggie Johnson, Barkley, Jirov, Holyfield, Charles Williams. Not to mention Benn and Eubank didn't want any part of him. Toney was P4P no1 when Jones beat him and would be back on P4P lists 9years later

Remember Charles was only a green 3year pro when Marshall beat him, Charles smashed him in 2 and 3 in subsequent fights

And yes Marshall weighed in at 162 in the rematch against Moore

9. I think Roy Jones was past prime against Ruiz at 34, but Moore may land the occasional shot.

BTW a flush southpaw straight left counter to the jaw is a devastating shot to take. Just like a straight right to a southpaw, ala Tyszu-Judah

 

Funny thing about powerpuncher...

He claims jones would easily outpoint moore winning every round......then he claims charles ranks at or ahead of roy jones.


Yet Moore was robbed against charles in the 2nd fight, and nearly knocked ezzard charles out in the 3rd fight plus ahead on cards.........yet he thinks jones is going to easily beat archie moore




then he tries to claim


A badly weight drained james toney and a green much smaller hopkins(who drew with segundo mercado) are as good as a peak version of archie mooore

 

Your joking right? Lloyd Marshall beat Ezzard Charles, Charley Burley, Jake Lamotta, Holman Williams, Joey Maxim, Jack Chase....ENOUGH SAID!!!!


I think Marshall ranks at or near roy jones level

 

LOL antonio tarver is a joke of a fighter.

 

not true.......archie moore 1947-1954 had top flight speed on film and experience. check for yourself.

 

Styles make fights, and that shoulder roll isn't rolling Jones punches. And Charles owned Moore 3 times, stop making things up.

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Well why are you assuming Moore's chin will take these flush shots without being fazed from the biggest puncher we've seen from 160-175 in the last 20years?

Your ignoring the fact that Moore was KO'd in and around his prime.

Moore was ko'd by Bivins in 6 at the age of 29

Moore was ko'd by Booker after been put down multiple time at the age of 27

Moore was down 4 times against Burley

Moore was down 3 times against Charles in the decisions he lost and KO'd in 8 in the final fight AGED 31

Moore was KO'd in 1 by Morrow aged 31

Moore was ko'd in 9 against Marciano aged 38

Moore was ko'd in 5 by Patterson aged 39

Is it fair to say Moore's chin is every bit as vunerable as Jones chin?

Why doesn't anyone want to comment on that :yep

 

A joke of the fighter thats faster than Moore :yep

 

So What? Marshall proved he can beat welterweights and Green fighters. Except the Burley win is debatable and Williams won a series against him. Look at Charles smashing Marshall in 2 and 3 rounds

Then remember Marshall lost 1/4 of all his fights, Yet its a huge win for Moore and he's comparable to the best fighter of the last 20 years

 

Hmm 1948 Moore:

ko'd by Charles
ko'd in 1 by Morrow
lost to Hall and Gibson

1949: lost to bacon

 

Marshall still not in IBHoF, after 18 years of the Hall's existence. Enough said!

 

1. Jones went undefeated in THREE FIGHTS against the three guys you mentioned. You're not addressing my point at all; Moore had NINE TOTAL FIGHTS against the five guys listed above, and TEN total fights against the guys below. There is no way Jones could go 19-0 against eight Hall-of-Fame-level fighters while fighting on a near-monthly basis and hopping up and down between light heavyweight and heavyweight.
2. What's more, Moore did this while frequently fighting 10 or more times a year and gaining/dropping 15+ pounds repeatedly- something Jones couldn't survive doing ONCE.
3. You're going overboard with this "Jones-would-win-every-round-againts-everyone-in-the-Hall-of-Fame" binge. Jones was an incredible talent and a great fighter, but he was not a god.

Again, you're evidently not listening or deliberately ignoring my argument. I didn't "pick" Bivins and Johnson over Jones. I said that if he fought Bivins and Johnson five times apiece, he would lose at least once to each of them. If you think that Jones could go 10-0 against Harold Johnson and Jimmy Bivins while fighting 10 times a year and repeatedly gaining and dropping substantial amounts of weight, you've descended into idol worship.