Roy Jones Jr. vs. Bernard Hopkins II

How does he have the style to beat Roy? I just told you the exact style to beat Roy and Hopkins doesn't have that. To beat Roy you have to be an excellent swarmer with a high workrate, good power, great stamina and solid durability. Hopkins is not a swarmer, doesn't have good power and doesn't have a high workrate. The only good asseta he has against Roy is his durablility and good but not great stamina.

Hops chased him and proposed a 50-50 deal. Which was totally unfair as Roy was P4P No.1, one of the biggest draws in Boxing and had already beaten Hopkins. 60-40 was totally reasonable on Jones' part. Now Hopkins wants 60-40 against Roy. But Hopkins is NOT P4P No.1, one of the biggest draws in Boxing and has lost to Jones. Jones then proposed recently that 60% should go to the winner and 40% should go the loser; hard to argue with that but Hopkins still balked. Jones' offer is well within reason and I hold this one against Hopkins for pricing himself out...again.

Hopkins holds nothing over Roy, neither holds a title and both are close in the rankings.

 

You seem to forget Roy's huge drop in weight and the effects it had on him. He's taking the same punches now with ease that KO'd him then. Look at Chris Byrd who is known to have a good chin, get torn apart by Shaun George. Roy Jones' confidence was long gone after his 3 straight losses and clammed up against everyone he faced after that up to Calzaghe. His whole attitude towards fighting is different since his loss to Joe. Go watch pre-fight interviews and compare them. Go watch his fights against Ajamu, Hanshaw and Trinidad and compare them with Lacy and Sheika. His confidence seems to be back and he is not clamming up and going into a shell anymore.

Who was out there to fight him? He fought the best and made them look like amateurs. You attack Jones' resume while Hopkins is far worse. Hopkins' biggest wins were against much smaller men than himself in Trinidad and De La Hoya. Hopkins chose to sit at MW his whole career and defend the IBF while Jones won titles in 4 weightclasses and was the only MW in 100 years to win the HW title.

What is this elite opposition that you speak of? Hopkins lost twice to JT (who's career is spriraling downward), fought a weight drained Tarver, fought a blown-up and old Winky, and a blown-up Pavlik. His fight with Joe was not razor-thin and debatable, I thought he lost by a good 4 or 5 rounds.

How would Hopkins outclass Jones? He posseses nothing stylistically to do so. He doesn't have a high workrate, his power isn't that good and he isn't a swarmer, he's a counterpuncher. To say Jones is avoiding fights against Adamek (Who's a whole weightclass above and is soon going to be at HW), Dawson (Negotiations haven't been talked about by either side) and Hopkins is ridiculous. Hopkins wants 60-40; Jones wants 60 for the winner and 40 for the loser. Hard to argue with Jones there. If Hopkins was so confident that he could beat Jones he would take the deal. But instead, he prices himself out again. If it's anyone avoiding someone, it's Hopkins avoiding Jones.

 

What are you talking about? You act like you know what you are talking about yet you can't/won't explain it. Please explain because you haven't said anything of worth so far. You haven't come back with any counter arguement against me yet and you keep using smilies. You don't outbox Roy from the outside, you just can't. Nobody has ever done it; not even today. Johnson has nothing to do with this thread, it's about Jones-Hopkins. Johnson is off fighting Dawson now.

 

Wow. I've been giving a breakdown this whole thread! Stop making yourself look bad. You haven't broken down anything, you sit there and say Hopkins beats him without giving any detailed analysis like I have.

 

I have broken it down. Did you see it? Or were busy jumping into the middle of the topic without reading the posts from page one?