Roy Jones Jr. vs Dawid Kostecki

Nunn, i'll give you. Even though he was over the hill and pretty much irrelevant at the point in his career When a proposed fight was supposed to take place. By the late 90's, Nunn was no bigger threat to Jones then Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum or Virgil Hill. And he had no business turning down a 75-25 purse split offered by Jones being where he was in his career at the time.

And Benn, Collins, & McClellan "desperate" to fight Jones is just LOL. It's clear you weren't following boxing at all during that time period at all if you imply that Jones is somehow responsible for these fights not occuring.

And Neither of those fighters are 1st ballot hall of famers or ATGs anyway. Toney & Hopkins on the other hand ARE. Jones defeated every single 1st ballot hall of famer/ATG that campaigned in all of his respective weight classes (except Heavyweight). And while they were in their relative prime at that. There are maybe a couple of dozen boxers in the history of the sport that can say they beat 2 ATGs at or near their prime. Jones is one of them.

That's like saying Chad Dawson needs to "legitimize" his Light Heavyweight reign by beating Zsolt Erdei.

Holding lineage (hostage in DM & Erdei's case) doesn't equate to being the best in your division. Jones proved that he was the best Light Heavyweight in the division by taking on beating the better quality of opposition and outperforming DM against every single common opponent. Just about everybody Jones fought at Light Heavyweight was ranked in the top 10 (in most cases the top 5) While DM feasted on nothing but Roy Jones leftovers & unranked, faceless tomato cans.

Agreed. But when your homebase is boxing's financial & media capital. You shouldn't be expected to drop everything you're doing to fight a guy that's relatively unknown to your primary audience. Unless it was to your financial benefit. To which it wasn't in the case of RJJ-DM. If anything, the onus was really on DM, he had alot to lose if he went to the US and got embarrisingly throttled by Jones. It would've lowered his stock substantially in his own country. But if he by some miracle had came to the U.S. and defeated Jones, the reward, financially and from a legacy standpoint, would've been far greater for him than if Jones had've went to Germany and beat him. DM had alot more to prove than Jones that's for sure.

DM or not, Jones is still the greatest fighter of his era, as well as the best Light Heavyweight of his era. One of the most dominant fighters in history. And consensus top 25 ATG. While DM's legacy has already largely faded into obscurity.

 

Damn, either he can't let go of the sport he's done all his life or he really needs the money. Maybe he should try his hand at MMA, get that Anderson Silva fight. How much did Toney get paid, like a million? Get that one last big payday, get choked out, better than getting knocked out again and again.

 

God no !

 

Clinton Woods needs his roy rematch. Wonder who would win that now?

 

He's gotta watch out for his neurological health because he already has problems with his balance

 

Remember Steve Collins calling out Roy Jones multiple times? Going to Pensacola to call out Roy, climbing into the into the ring after Roy's fight with Frazier? Maybe this should refresh your 'memory'.

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Steroids cheats shouldn't be ATG's. Many ATG lists don't have Jones in the top 25.

Who the **** was Bernard Hopkins when Jones beat him? Just another contender.

James Toney was a slob who ate his way out of the MW and SMW division. He was dead at 168 when Roy fought him, and that showed, he was out of shape, sluggish and it showed in the fight. He was at Cruiserweight before he fought Jones. The great prime James Toney who got beat by Griffin, Drake Thadzi and won a gift decision against Dave Tiberi in his prime

He didn't hold it hostage, that's a blinkered view taken by Americas. Jones' PPV figures were terrible, DM was making more money in Germany. The fight out there made sense. It was hardly like Jones was a Tyson or Ali type crossover fighters. He was popular amongst boxing fans.

The Ring LHW title disappeared in the 80s and reappeared in the 90s where it just handed its belt to R Jones, but if the line of you have to beat the man to be the man had been followed, the belt should have been handed to Michalczewski for his victory over V Hill. Dariusz was the WBO LHW champ but he also won and vacated the IBF & WBA belts before Jones won them. Also Michalczewski beat Rocchigiani who was wrongly stripped of his WBC belt.
So Michalczewski had claim to every one of Jones belts and should have been Ring champ.
Michalczewski was the MAN at LHW.

Roy Jones never beat the man to establish himself as the best LHW of his era. His LHW title reign is one of the most dubious in history. Instead of seeking the big fights, against the top names, he knocked out the likes of Rick Frazier, Otis Grant and because he was on HBO he was declared P4P number 1. You're clearly a blinkered Jones jr fanboy who didn't actually watch any Roy Jones fights, it's more likely you've seen a few youtube videos and decided Roy was the greatest fighter ever.

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Have a read of those

 

Calm down, artist lol. Fact is Roy is one of the best fighters of recent decades and already cemented his legacy eons ago. He did not need any of those guys though it would've been nice for him to face Benn and/or Collins. Anyones resume can be nitpicked.

Back to the topic, crap fight. Seems like Roy will fight until dementia kicks in but hopefully not.

 

I can never get tired of seeing this pos get the s kicked out of him. I LOVE It. Remember how he disrespected his opponents. Telesco, Hall, the guy he ko'd with his hands behind his back. HBO should can this guy. Guy is trying to give commentary and doesn't know when to say when, how good is his judgement? Dumbass.

 

Stil KOA still ..Get over it ..Most people recognize Jones as an all time great ..You can label him a cheat all you want that was one instant in the Hall fight where he took a banned substance And Hall's was on the same **** yet had higher levels ..You need to stop ..Did Jones beat up one of your relatives You also know you continue to shoot yourself in the foot with that video you keep putting up,Jones beat 3 of the four guys in that video ..And stop trying to degrade both Toney and Hopkins who were in their physical primes regardless of any underlining circustance you try to bring up ..Give it a rest already and stop the multiple quoting ..

 

The very first time Jones was tested, he was caught. Ask yourself this, what did Roy see in Richard Hall as a fighter, that made him so insecure he had to juice up to the point, where he had 6 times the legal limit of testosterone in his system. Was Richard Hall this monster, that was knocking out top fighters left right and centre? Do you honestly believe that was the only time Roy ever juiced?

 

Don't get why people on here get so personal towards Jones anyway? Why is it mostly Zaghe fans that do that though? Jones accomplished a lot in this sport and is a great fighter. I can fault him for some opponents he fought but many were mandatories and came to fight only for money. In that case I understand if he looked bored in there at times during his prime though its funny. If he struggled with Hopkins & Toney people would say he looked great until he stepped up but since he beat em with ease he fought nobody lol? He can't win. And guy hasn't been relevant for ages yet people still kick em while he's down. Guess they still fault him for being too good while he was in his prime.

Still with the Hall fight he does deserve criticism and should've committed to testing though as I always say, roids don't give one the skills a prime Roy had. They give no ring generalship for instance. Other than the Hall fight everything else is speculation. Would be nieve to only believe that was the first and last time as its a possibility but again roids don't give ring intelligence Roy had.

 

It was Player3 that wrote the first long post, I only responded

 

So are you saying before he lost he was never tested ? Honestly do you yourself just watch you tube fights or did you only watch him from 03 and on ? The man has always fought naturally bigger men ..Honestly you don't do your self any good by saying dumb things like that !


And what did Hall see in Jones that he had to take more of what Jones took ? You do know he was tested for basically everyfight before and after ..You honestly think that he just avoided urines tests his whole career ? You really need to stop ! And one other thing no juice ,ped or anything can make you a better boxer !

 

Really you responded to Peppermint which led to this fiasco. At least we're not insulting each other and threatening to get into physical altercations amongst ourselves.

 

Remember when Steve Collins was offered 3 millions dollars to fight Jones, which was WAY more than he was worth? OF COURSE YOU DON'T! Talk is cheap. When time came to put his name on the contract, he was nowhere to be found, and became mysteriously and frequently "injured" all of a sudden.

Also, remember everytime he fought an elite fighter at the MAJOR LEAGUE level of boxing in the U.S. HE LOST. Failing to adaquately make a name for himself. Collins was just as unknown in the U.S. as half the fighters Jones had fought at Light Heavyweight, and it was larely due to his own failings to rise above the minor league Euro-level of boxing, like many of his European contemparies at the time.

And this has what to do with Jones? :huh

Yes. The ones that are lacking a credible author.

Oh, gee. I don't know. Just some guy that would go on to dominate every single fighter he faced at Middleweight for the next decade plus. Be one of two men over the past 30 years to completely clean out a division from top to bottom. And never be handed a clear, descisive loss (outside of his fight with great Roy Jones of course :yep). But other than that, just some loser i guess. :conf

He had ate his way out of those divisions a couple years earlier actually, and walked around at 200+ lbs. and were still putting on CLINICS and remained undefeated against elite opposition. Funny how he didn't look slow and sluggish as he was knocking out top shelf opposition earlier in the year, in the same weight division. He looked slow and sluggish because he was facing Roy Jones, like everybody did.

Yes. And message board revisionists will be saying the same thing about Erdei in 20 years. :yep

His PPV figures better than DM's. Who couldn't sell PPV at all.

False. If you add up DM's entire career earnings. It wouldn't amount to what Roy earned just from 94-2000.

Actually, it reappeared around 2001/2002. And Roy won it by beating the #3 guy in the division because the #2 guy (DM) refused to face him, while simultaneously feasting on unranked tomato cans and going life and death with Roy Jones leftovers, while Roy was beating mostly top 5 ranked light heavyweights in enthathic fashion.

Yes. He was the man at Light Heavyweight. Just like Zsolt Erdei adhered to the exact same protocol and currently IS the man at light heavyweight. Dawson, Hopkins, Pascal, Tarver, Johnson & Calzaghe were nothing but a bunch of illegitimate paper trinket holding duckers of Erdei, THE MAN @ Light Heavyweight. :good