Roy Jones Jr. vs. Harold Johnson

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Herb Goldman said in an article on the CBZ, that Roy did things in the ring that he as a boxing historian had never witnessed before, with his tremendous athletic ability. Jones has to be considered one of...if not the most naturally gifted prizefighter in the sport's history...
    Harold Johnson is a marvelous boxing technician whom I'm starting to appreciate more and more from what I've read...His record is a 'who's who' of his era. His record indeed speaks for itself...
    What happens when 'style meets substance' for 15 rounds at light heavyweight?
     
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  2. McGrain

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    I favour Jones to bamboozle any of the pure technicians, ever. Johnson is a great, great, great fighter, one of the very greatest in the history of his weight class, but I think he could get hammered here. A stoppage is not possible given Johnson's level of expertise and Jones' nature, but still...i'll stick my neck out and say Jones would win 11 or 12 out of 15 rounds.
     
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    I think Harold Johnson has a far better resume than Roy Jones Jr. I would pick him to win in a contest between the two. Other than Archie Moore, Bob Foster or a prime Ezzard Charles I don't see many other light heavys beating Harold Johnson. I believe Johnson decisioned Charles but that was later in Ezzard Charles' career. And he did get the nod over Archie Moore in one of their fights.
     
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  4. dpw417

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    That is one scenario...What makes me wonder about that however is Harold's level of competition...He fought some truly great fighters and was never really shut out before...There isn't anything indicative of that happening....granted, Jones is an amazing talent...I'd say Johnson at the very least gives Jones a problematic evening, with his skill set IMO...He may just offset Roy and take it...He did against Moore,Bivins,Jones (Doug) and Charles...Why not Roy?
    I think it is close...
     
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  5. brownpimp88

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    yeaj but if roy fought archie 5 times, i know he would win at least once.
     
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  6. Senya13

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    Take away Johnson's jab (exactly what Roy will do, jab won't be a factor whatsoever in the fight) and what'll remain is a primitive one-dimensional boxer, who doesn't have good enough counter-punching abilities to cause Jones any troubles.
     
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  7. Sweet Pea

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    Moore may win once, Roy would likely win a good 4 out of 5. Terrible matchup for Moore.
     
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    thats what im trying to say. Guys like jimmy bivins gets overrated too because he beat moore and charles. Yet people forget to mention that he also lost to each of them 4 times. Harold does not have a better resume than roy. Roy dominated an atg in his prime like toney, which atg did harold dominate?:huh
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Don't agree with you bro! I THINK it might be the other way around! Moore is the trickiest, smartest, nastiest fighter there ever was for baiting a guy to duck at the waise when he's ready to throw an uppercut (for example). Jones won't survive the KO king - I'd favour Moore over 3 fight series.

    I wonder over 5 though. Could Roy learn enough from these confrontations to stay out of trouble? Or prematurely tackle technical excellence?
     
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  10. dpw417

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    I have to strongly disagree that Roy is a terrible match -up at the light heavyweight limit for Archie...I'll take Moore winning the majority of fights in the series...If the match-up were at middle/super-middle then I'd lean towards Jones a little more...IMO...Jones H2H at those weights was fantastic.
    Toney and Moore are similar stylistically with their defenses but at the light heavy limit...Moore would catch him...I feel.
     
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  11. dpw417

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    how would Jones 'take the jab away' from Harold Johnson? Would Harold fear Roy's counters? Or would it be his speed? At times, Roy would actually intimidate his opponents from throwing punches at him in his title defenses for fear of a lightning counter punch (more so at the middle/super middle class)...That is very true, but Johnson fought against much tougher opposition, harder hitting opposition...sometimes he got caught too. but overall, Jones record pales in comparison at light heavyweight to Johnson's...Johnson fought HOF's...
    Roy can definitely get caught and kayoed too at light heavy...But I don't discount Roy Jones Jr. in this fight... I honestly feel that he would not be capable of making Johnson a primitive 'one dimensional boxer' by any stretch of the imagination...Johnson has the experience to realize he needs the jab to offset Jones' incoming...If he doesn't do that then he's done...and Roy sets up anything he wants to do, and takes the decision home...In the actual fight however, Johnson would problably diffuse Roy's left hook and right hands for the majority of the fight with his own defense and counter punching...Look at the record book, He knows his business...He fought the best light heavy weights and heavyweights from the forties to the sixties...(Your statement re Johnson's lack of counterpunching ability is totally without merit...That is what Johnson did)Roy will need to drag out his own left jab to win this (which he did not use enough) if he does win that is, very big 'if'...this is a very close fight... IMO
     
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    How would he do it? The same way he took away the accuracy and frequency of jab from every single opponent in the pros, without a single exception. Besides, Johnson was too slow, on feet, at handspeed, reflexes (required for countering effectively) to offset prime (more or less) Jones' offense and to set up an offense on his own.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Seya, I basically agree with you. Jones takes away most of what any technician brings with his combination of speed and unorthodox approach. The jab would just be the first shot to be stripped from Johnson IMO.

    I do think you sell Johnson a bit short though.
     
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  14. Sweet Pea

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    What would a more stationary fighter like Moore do to beat someone with the movement and quickness of Jones? McGrain, I believe Charles has a much better shot at beating Jones than Moore does. I believe Moore/Jones is like a closer version of Jones/Toney, with Moore having some success, but overall being outboxed and outmaneuvered.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    I can't make it any clearer for you though. Moore is the master at drawing his man on to something. Roy doesn't have the type of chin to survive it when it happens. Maybe Roy could pot shot his way to victory, I don't know, he is lightning. But Moore is a defencive specialist who is expert at timing a man and inducing a man. I just don't have Jones winning it.
     
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