Roy Jones Jr vs Jake Lamotta and Marvin Hagler @ Middleweight

I believe the opposite. Jakes was a tricky boxer and would put too much pressure on Roy and wear him out in 15. I think Roy beats Hagler and his style drives Hag crazy with frustration.

 

in 15 rounds, I say they both catch Roy

 

I'm not sure about LaMotta as I haven't seen all that much footage of him, but I pick Roy by decision over Hagler.

I always praise Hagler for being so well-rounded and versatile, but I think Jones has the freakish talents and his own unorthodox skillset to win it. There are some factors that play against Roy, such as being relatively inexperienced at 160, especially compared to the number of southpaws he faced at higher weights. Still, I think you could say that Jones's prime began in his last MW bout, when he blew out Thomas Tate.

Hagler could fight in his usual style, and of course it wouldn't be easy for Roy (or anyone) with his piston jab, accurate punching, effective movement, combinations. I think Jones would be effective with straight rights at distance. Up close, Jones isn't as refined, but he could flurry his way out to create more space. He was also a big MW with very good power.

Despite Roy being unorthodox and not the most fundamental fighter, in some ways this is an advantage because it makes him so unpredictable for his opponents. Opponents are expecting to see guys fight a certain way and Roy did it differently.

I wonder if Hagler's best chance would be to fight Roy like he did against Hearns. Hagler looked so unstoppable in that fight that it's hard to imagine him losing in that style. But it was just one fight after all, that I try not to take it too far and think he'd win against anyone in that style, great as he looked. Hearns wasn't the most sturdy chinned guy or skilled infighter anyway.

 

Jones beats jake (on points obviously) however I think Marvin would find a way to win somehow against Roy.

 

A prime Hagler would have eaten Roy for lunch.

 

Concur^. A Hearns/Fuely Obel grade Hagler TKO's MW Jones. A Duran grade Hagler loses by SD to MW Jones in an upset.

 

Jones UD hagler. Jones hated tall southpaws because their jabs bothered him but did well against short/average height southpaws. A shorter southpaw cant corner jones easily because the jab from below cant push jones around like a tall southpaw jab from above. Even if he corners jones was a legitmate 1 punch KO artist at that weight and very strong.
Jones has a stylistic advantage

Lamotta UD Jones if lamotta doesnt get stopped on cuts.
Jones likes space and time to think and set traps. He could make you give him space when pressured by knocking you senseless like with brannon and sosa. but lamotta had a rock chin like sosa but his pressure was more educated than sosa and he didnt load up which gives jones less room to land counters.
Jones could cut up Lampttas face if he used his jab like he did against pazienza.
But i think lamotta outworks and outhustles him over the distance.

 

I have a hard time picking anyone who only has 2 rated wins at the weight over historic level fighters there. That's not to say Roy couldn't beat that level of fighter, but Id have liked to see some sort of track record over his top 5 peers before moving up before favoring him over guys with a long track record vs top competition at the division.

As it stands, Roy didn't beat any of the other top 5 middleweights at 160. He did increasingly better work at 168, and 175, but I don't give retroactive credit to the lower weight versions when guys move up successfully. Adamek's cruiser and heavyweight success didn't make him a better light heavyweight. Pac's fantastic run at 140 and 147 didn't make him a better flyweight.

It's also worth noting that neither Hopkins or Tate, the two rated wins, had beaten a top 10 ring rated middleweight before Roy beat them. They had one fight vs ring top 10 middleweights combined going in to their fights with Jones, a Tate loss vs the Hawk.

Roy was a H2H beast IMO, but I've seen guys with much more established track records at a weight get picked apart pretty routinely.

 

I'll take Greb to beat them all in 15 rds

 

Hagler defintely wins.

 

while i will always will hold jones' speed and reflexes in high admiration, i think that both would beat him. why? his chin. for all of his career up until the second tarver fight, jones never really took a solid punch to the chin. his speed and reflexes saved him from that. in both hagler and lamotta, jones would have faced pressure fighters who could take a punch and then deliver a solid puch in return. don't think jones' chin could stand up to that punishment. he would give them a hell of a fight though!

 

I think Jones would decision lamotta though.Lamotta was not a great puncher and jones looked good against slickster and tricky Toney

 

I wouldn't