Roy Jones Jr. vs. James "Buster" Douglas

What im saying is even guys like Williams/Mcbride still had to take some shots and had a huge size advantage over Tyson. I dont see a smaller Jones surviving that long

Botha did oubox Tyson but that was after a 2 year hiatus from the ring, but what happened when Tyson figured Botha out? that wasnt a lucky punch he landed.

Tysons plan B, when things werent going right, was a homerun punch, it didnt help agains Granite chinned Holyfield or a super boxer like Lewis, but i think hed find it against Jones.

When Tyson fought guys smaller than him, he normally ended them pretty quickly, like Spinks, Frazier and even Orlin Norris

 

Orlin Norris??

Come on, even though it only went a round Tyson looked like **** and hit him blatantly late, he hadn't yet solved the Norris "riddle". A really poor showing by Mike that one. The NC save him from a deseved DQ loss but that said I've never seen two fighters happier with a No Contest result.

The fight was a farce.

 

I bet you love Bruce Seldon fights then :yep

 

A prime RJJ wouldn't have to take shots from a 'McBride'-Tyson though.
Also, I'm not sure the Tyson of the McBride fight even had much power.
'McBride'-Tyson was actually a great deal worse than even the Danny Williams version.

The point I was making is that the magazines and commentators continually and consistently overrated Tyson after he was well over-the-hill.

Yes, but the thing I'm arguing against is the idea that "ANY version of Tyson beats ANY version of RJJ"

A prime RJJ beats 'McBride'-Tyson. Clearly.

 

Peak Douglas would knock Jones out mid rounds after the fight had settled.

That version of Douglas probably gets stopped late after being comprehensively outboxed.

Every version of Tyson apart from his last few fights would stop Jones.

 

I always wondered whether Roy ever really intended to fight Douglas, or whether this was just a ploy to avoid some of the potentially high risk, low reward challengers at LHW. Roy had refused to fight his WBC mandatory Nunn and vacated the title on the pretense of making the Douglas fight. Shortly after Nunn lost to Rocchigani in a fight for the vacant title, Roy announced that he wasn't going to fight Douglas after all and asked the WBC to simply give the title back to him, which they did. One of the most blatant acts of corruption in modern boxing history IMO. Roy then backed out of a mandated fight with Rocchigiani because Rocky refused to break camp to appear at press conferences.

 

He was clearly fatter and slower, but I do believe he showed some good handspeed and punching sharpness over the second half of his comeback. I think even a '98 Douglas was still a quicker and sharper puncher than Ruiz.

IMO, the real problem for Douglas is the fact that he was about as sturdy as an eggshell following his years of inactivity and diabetic coma - a fact that was hinted at by his DQ win over Monaco, and then clearly exposed against Savarese.

Still, before the Savarese fight actually happened, I felt a Jones fight was tough to pick. I think Douglas' still-formidable jab and remaining power could still pose some problems for Jones. Perhaps Jones did too, and without Douglas' fragility having been clearly exposed yet, this was another possible reason that he ultimately decided against the fight (assuming he ever really intended on going through with it in the first place - see my previous post).

Regardless of whatever Jones' actual intentions were, I believe his gamesplaying ultimately cost himself a chance to get a KO win over a former lineal HW champion - which would've been a nice-looking scalp on his resume.

 

start at the 32:00 mark to see the talk of why the jones-douglas fight didn't happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3e0b28bHuw

 

Douglas was overrated. He fought a terrible Tyson which is his only claim to fame. I think Jones can pinpoint him with a nice bodypunch and stop him on a bodypunch. Yes.

 

That version of Mike was SHOT TO ****, hence why he quit against McBride. Kevin McBride was a nobody, who wouldn't have lasted a round with Mike anywhere near his prime. Of course if Mike landed flush on Roy it would have been over. But how could the Mike of that fight have landed on Roy?

He wasn't able to put Kevin away because he was absolutely done, but you think he'd have finished Roy? There's no logic. Mike was done. He quit and then said "I don't want to disgrace the sport of boxing no more!"

There's no way that version of Mike could have beaten Roy. If he couldn't land clean on Kevin, then there's no way he could have got to Roy. I'm not being stupid and saying Roy couldn't have beaten a prime a Mike, but the 2005 version of Mike was a joke, and I love Mike.

 

??? How did he not contemplate it? Have you read the thread?

 

Tyson was shot and McBride was a C class heavy and that's been generous.

Mike even admitted after the fight that he'd embarrassed himself and disgraced the sport. He shouldn't have been anywhere near a ring at that point. He was knocked out by Danny Williams a year earlier.

So what if Kevin was big? He was big and fat and out of shape. Mike quit against him, because he was done. How could that version of Mike have hit Roy?

 

I have. Hence the sarcastic post. Not your fault; I should have been clearer.

 

The fact Kevin ****ing Mcbride and Danny Williams have wins over Tyson still pisses me off to this day.

 

Not my definition of it.