Roy Jones Jr. vs. James "Buster" Douglas

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  1. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Jones spoke about this afterwards, coming up to the Ruiz fight.

    He didnt see the point in going all the way up to heavyweight to fight a guy who was basically a journeyman.

    He said,he'd only go up for a big fight.

    He said if he went up to fight Douglas, no one would give him any credit for that
     
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  2. SJS19

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    (Thankyou, I figure I owe one post with effort in about every fifty.)

    There's that stigma isn't there? Fighting a bigger man, well not even that, I think it's psycological. A Middleweight wouldn't make as much of fighting a Lightheavyweight, as a LHW would make of taking on a Heavyweight. (Hope this comes across clearly.) You can't go higher than Heavyweight.

    As far as Jones's value of Senior's opinion, I think it must of held some weight. If a man teaches you everything you know, then you'll listen when he interjects, no matter your circumstances. Jones had enough respect for his Dad's Boxing accumen to hire him for the third Tarver fight.

    Muhammed isn't daft, Jones could make almost as much money fighting guys his own size or smaller on HBO. Say what you want about Jones and his teams opponent selection, but I don't think anybody has negotiated their career better in terms of a risk/financial reward. Even calculating a Heavyweight title belt, with as little risk as possible.

    As far as those picking Douglas, I have one counter question. Had Jones retired after fighting Ruiz, would you still have the same feeling that Douglas could win?
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    One more morsel for thought:

    Jones bulked up to 193 against Ruiz. This is after several years of having settled into LHW.

    In early 1998 at the point he reneged on the Douglas deal, he was barely over a year removed from his last stint under the SMW limit - and had only exceeded it four times in his life. He was still very much new to light heavy, and it's doubtful he would have packed on the 18lbs of potentially shock absorbing mass he would easily add in 2003. Maybe not more than half of that.

    Also, between '98 and '03 - that's five years' more experience against top-flight or very good opposition the new-millennium Jones had on his younger self. I'm not saying that the 3x champion who knocked out Virgil Hill was green, but he was a damn sight lighter in the backside and less seasoned than the version who picked the Quiet Man's pocket.
     
  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruiz was better than the comebacking Douglas and an older Jones handled him with ease, so a peak Jones wins in a canter probably by stoppage. Jones was almost impossible to land on back then and his mobility and coordination of attack and defense would see Buster floundering and badly exposed.

    Remember this Douglas didn't really resemble the fired up Tokyo version at all and getting blasted out in a round by a B-level type in Savarese confims this.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So basically, risk not worth the reward. Why chance getting knocked out with no immediate tangible prize?

    Douglas was floundering, not getting the big paydays he wanted - but was a ranked contender.

    Beating him would have opened the door to Lewis & Holyfield for Jones...without having to go the hard road of facing down a Tua, Golota, Grant, Ike, Mavro, etc.
     
  6. SJS19

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    AND Douglas vs Monaco is being over looked here.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mentioned in the OP. :good
     
  8. SJS19

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    In general Sir :thumbsup

    Anyone picking Douglas, must be picking a very early KO.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Oh, to be certain that is the operating idea. Nobody should be thinking KO11. Catching the little bugger cold before he can establish rhythm is the strategy for James. 1st or 2nd, maybe 3rd. That's what his legs were under warranty for.

    Actually, looking at it now, as of 1998 Douglas had never even seen an eleventh round! :lol: In fact, he never did.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    That Tyson mightd win; I don't have a solid opinion. He had no trouble with Spinks. I don't know though. He'd probably bother training if he knew he were getting Roy and walk right through him.
     
  11. jeffjoiner

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    Roy would need a very big ring. He's not going to hit Douglas with anything hard enough to slow the big man down, so he needs room to move. Roy's reflexes at that time were still sharp so he could avoid the majority of the punches.

    What sways me to Douglas is that he only needs to land one punch to win. Similar to how Foreman lost ever minute against Moorer until one right hand changed history.
     
  12. SJS19

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    You don't think he could slow him down?!

    Jeff. :verysad
     
  13. Robney

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    I never even noticed that :lol:
    I knew McClellan never saw the 10th round until he fought Benn, and never stopped anyone past 5. But the Douglas thing completely slipped past me.
     
  14. irishny

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    Beating Douglas wouldnt have opened the doors for anything.

    Hr had just as good of a chance going up and fighting any of those fighters with or without Douglas, who was a nobody at that stage,who hadnt won a noticable fight at HW in 8 years.

    An in shape Douglas was basically the same size as Ruiz.

    Jones got the Ruiz fight without fighting anyone at HW.
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    I voted Douglas by stoppage before even reading the OP.. Honestly at that point RJJ had a good shot at winning a UD, but like someone else stated Douglas would only have to land one good shot to take Roy out of there.