Roy Jones Jr vs Jim Jeffries

lets put it this way, if the fight were under jeffries rules then i would not hesitate to pick him to stop jones, but they are not. and speed isnt everything but it is a whole lot and without the wrestling and the bigger gloves jeffries isnt used to, i can see jones easily outspeeding him and adding up the points. jeffries was very good for HIS time, jones is as good as it gets in this time.

 

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Holyfield and Haye were faster but lets not forgett that they were smaller fighters who bulked up to be the same size as Jeffries.

I don't think you would find that many guys who were 220lbs pre 1980 who were faster on their feet than Jeffries.

 

Not sure that I would pick Jeffries to take this one regardless of his size and superior strength... An aging Bob Fitzsimmons who was no bigger than Jones and arguably less technically and athletically gifted, really gave Jeffries Hell.. Joe Choynski, a middleweight sized fighter, broke his nose, and Tom Sharkey fought him to a draw.. Jones was a well proven lightheavyweight who was as big or bigger than many of Jeffries' best opponents, and was by far a faster man than any he ever met. His punches had a fair amount of sting to them as well.. Jeffries would get hit hard and often, while probably being frustrated for most of the evening.... In a 20 round fight, Jeff might stop him late, but a wide decision or even a late round TKO for Jones is probably the more likely outcome..

 

I agree that Jones could probably go 15, but the last three rounds are called the championship rounds for a reason.

Jones is going to have to survive for three more rounds as you say, and fifteen rounds is noit going to be completely alien to Jeffries. He fought over this distance early in his career (Griffin & Goddard).

 

Look at footage of him sparring for Ruhlin ,and then look at him fighting Ruhlin.
Chalk and cheese, in fact Ruhlin looks quicker on his feet.
I keep saying this, but there is no footage of Jeffries fighting that shows him to be quick on his feet.
Sparring with an inferior man , may flatter a boxer , but it is NOT actual fighting.
I actually favour Jeffries to win this fight late ,but I feel rose coloured glasses are being applied here.

 

I think that Jeffries used his footspeed tacticaly.

He generaly ploded, as was apropriate in fights of such duration, but then when he saw an oportunity he would spring forward and close the distance.

That is the impresion I get from contemporary acounts.

If we had footage of him in some of his shorter fights we would see him being more agresive in pressing the fight.

 

With respect that is opinion ,not fact.

I am aware boxers fought at a pace appropriate to the distance the fight was scheduled for ,

I am also aware that nowhere is there any footage to support claims that Jeffries was quick on his feet in actual fights.arguments to the contrary are supposition.

The Ruhlin fight shows Jeffries three stepping his way forward left glove below his waist ,chin tucked close into his chest and shoulder, right hand cocked,it is possible that a fighter with the hand speed of Jones ,a man ackowledged as a fantastic pot shotter might be able to land with impunity on Jeffries face with quick right hands.

I highly doubt he would be able to get Jeffries in distress at any time, though he may well be able to inflict a substantial amount of facial damage.

What happens if and when Jeffries begins to land heavy artillery is the $64000 question ?

 

There is no footage to suport claims that there was colour in Jeffries era but we can infer it from contemporary acounts.

 

That is not an argument, it is sarcasm, and pretty weak sarcasm at that.

 

Two past prime inactive veterans Corbett and Fitz had no difficulty deciding when to let their hands go against a crouching Jeffries
.Anyone think they had handpseed anywhere comparable to Jones?

 

My point (perhaps clumsily made) is that there are always some things that we have to take on faith from the contemporary acounts.

The sample of footage we have is so samll and of such poor quality that it has to be used in conjunction with other sources.

 

So let me understand... Jeffries goes life and death with Tom Sharkey, a guy who wouldn't make it 4 rounds with Jones, Jr., but Jeffries beats Roy.

I tend to think Jeffries was and remains very overrated.