Roy Jones Jr. vs. Marvin Hagler, at middleweight< who wins?

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  1. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think this would of been a good fight to see. I think hagler would of won this fight, mostly cause of his pressure.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Jones had hardly any title-level experience at MW. Putting him in with a beast like peak Hagler is unfair to me! Jones has a difficult style of course, but I think Hagler would get to him.
     
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  3. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WEll have them fight at a catchweight, lets says 165. Roy was a beast at 168 and was still at his fastest at 160. So he definetly wasn't too big for hagler.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For me, it is a matter of experience more than size. I'd take Roy with some experience under his belts to beat Hagler over 160.
     
  5. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Hagler by K.O.
    Too much, Too good, Jones Jr. would be broken down over 15 Rds.
    (I'm talkin' PRIME Marvin, get that SRL fight version out of your mind)
     
  6. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK, but it goes both ways, prime Roy Jones Jr.
     
  7. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I would tend to agree with McGrain, although Hagler would not "get to him" imo. He would rally late on points to beat Jones after being at a defecet early on.

    Hagler vs a 168lb Jones at a catchweight would be a clear and descive win for Roy.
     
  8. FromWithin

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  9. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    The better mystery questions would be:

    Ali or Tyson?

    Would Lewis have stopped Vitali?

    Who's the GOAT?

    Was Sweet Pea really robbed against Chavez?

    Those are some questions that need answering, as they've only been asked roughly 1,234,156 times a piece, as opposed to the 2,367,382 times this one's been asked.
     
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  11. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a pretty even fight while it lasts. Roy gives Marvin problems early on with his speed, but Hagler adapts. Over 12, I think it's a decision either man could take. 15 rounds? Hagler's pressure begins to wear Jones down after the 12th. By rounds 14-15, Marvin's tenacity finally overtakes Roy en route to a hard-fought TKO.
     
  12. Mike South

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    We're being asked to ignore an over the hill Hagler's loss against an over the hill Leonard, and I think that situates the argument too much.

    I can't see Jones losing at middleweight. He was KOing guys with one shot at middleweight. He was a powerhouse plus he had incredible footwork, unbelievable handspeed, unorthodox style, effectiveness in either stance...

    But I don't know Hagler that well because most of my films of him - except for Hearns and Leonard - are his fights against the dozens and dozens of no-name set-ups that he fought in his career.

    Like I said, I don't know him that well - what does he have that beats Jones? I'm not being smart, I'm honestly asking. The answer seems to be pressure, but who didn't try to pressure Jones? Hopkins wasn't trying to fight in the middle of the ring, and he's no slouch at the pressure game - in fact I think Hopkins vs Hagler is a more interesting fantasy match-up.

    What does Hagler have that the other fellows didn't? What does he have that beats Jones? Why would Hagler be able to pressure Jones at middleweight when no-one else could?
     
  13. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I think Hagler is much better than anyone Roy fought at middleweight. Hagler stops Roy in about 7 or 8. Hagler would reach Roy's chin, and once he did that Roy does not last long at all.
     
  14. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i agree,jones has exceptional speed but hagler would get close enough to negate that problem.
     
  15. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Go watch some Roy Jones fights, in particular vs Hopkins.

    Hopkins repeatedly lands right hands (that would constitute reaching Jones chin eh) and it does jack all.

    Jones showed zero chin issues at 160/168. He neither looked like getting hurt or stopped.

    Hagler has went the distance 13 times, every single fighter he went the distance with every single one did not have the ability of Roy Jones Jr.

    Add that to the fact that Roy's counter punching, moving style would cause Marvin issues. It is a ridiculous over rating of a fighter from the past.

    Hagler winning, hell even Hagler stopping Jones late over 15 is not out of the realm of posibility, to suggest that Hagler stops Jones in 7 or 8 is a fallacy.