Roy Jones Jr. vs. Marvin Hagler, at middleweight< who wins?

i actually felt Hagler faded against Vito rather than Vito coming on strong but i still had Hagler winning by a good few points.

I was proabbly wrong saying Hagler came on strong in the 13-15 but i mean the second half of a fight he comes on stronger (or his performance doestn drop) my earlier post explains it better

as for the Duran fight it dosent carry much weight because agler was too cautious

 

No desire to get in a prolonged debate on this one, but yeah, Hagler never had enough 15 rounds fights to make the assumption. He was a fighter who tended either to come on, or maintain the intensity as the fight progressed, however.

A point on the Antuofermo fight, and is one that highlights the complete uselessness of the judging system of boxing, is that just because a fighter steps it up (in this case, Antuofermo) and does better than he was doing before, doesn't mean he's winning. He's just losing less badly.

 

I agree Hagler faded noticably. There was actually doubts about Hagler's stamina for ages, but i think it was fair. Certainly nothing amazing, but nothing terrible either. I certainly don't see it however as something i would hold up to get him home vs Jones. That's just my opinion tho. I truly don't think Jones would struggle at all with 15. He's a fantastic athlete (to say the least) and was young at 160. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him the fresher late.

My perception is that some seem to think he might tire over 12-15 or that the extra rounds give Hagler time to test his chin, but i am not so sure. After chasing Jones around for 12 i'm not sure he could spring a sudden stoppage anyways. Jones chin seemed ok at this weight and time and for ages thereafter. It's a great match with many questions - per both sides.

 

i just think haglers controlled aggresion would take more out of Jones than what Jones could take out of Hagler.

 

And it could well. Will Hagler handle Jones sheer speed and class, and could Jones in turn still have his way during such a big step up in class. The possibilities are endless.

 

thats what makes it such an intriguing match up

 

I agree and i'd take this even further - Jones' chin looked excellent at 160. He never showed any problem at 168 either, and only suffered one flash knockdown at 175 until he was 35 and came back after losing 20 lbs of muscle (look at how it affected Byrd as well).

In addition to that, due to modern weigh-in rules, most of his opponents (as well as himself) weighed 10-15 lbs more than the actual limit.


Bottomline, if Hagler (or any middleweight) is counting on a lucky punch against Jones, they're in for a long, long night.

 

Sure, Pontius, by I have to point out I don't think I've ever seen a Hagler gameplan that relied on landing a lucky punch. He wasn't that type of fighter.

 

He also never fought a fighter anything like Roy Jones. Jones is an altogether different animal to anything Hagler ever fought.

Of course the opposite is also true, which makes almost all points from both sides pertinent.

 

Agreed.

 

Right, but no matter how different Jones may be to any of Hagler's past opposition, I find it very remote that Hagler would abandon all game plan and go for a one punch KO strategy. Not sure of the point of ChrisPontius here.

Anyway, its getting late in Oz, mate. Sleep on it. You may wake up and make Hagler a clear winner.

 

I'm not saying that that's Hagler's strategy, i'm just saying that Jones' chin will be a non-factor in this fight.


Speaking of strategy, i wouldn't be too confident in him on that regard. Look at his biggest fights... Duran, horrible strategy, overcautious and unimpressive given the weight desparity. Hearns, not really a plan here, just a brawl which obviously favored him. Leonard, again a horrible strategy to box with him for the first 4 rounds. I know that Hagler was quite a bit past his best at this point (as was Leonard), but he [Leonard] does come closest of Hagler's opponents to what Jones would do.

 

Oh i doubt it

It's late but on a Saturday night this is my prime. One hugely late night per week, and this is it hahaha.

Pontius is saying Hagler will have so much trouble landing vs Jones that he might get desperate and start looking for desperation shots. Jones is one of the most elusive fighters in history. Sometimes i think peeps forget just how stupidly difficult to hit he was. For ages opponents were lukky to win 30 seconds of any bout let alone a round.

 

LOL wow, your posts get worse. The post Hagler perfomances of Duran at middleweight, where he pummeled several good middles in winning and losing performances eg Robbie Simms, Barkley, to my mind justified Hagler's cautioius approach against one of the most fantastic fighter of all time. Plus in the minds of the sane, he won clearly. How bad can a strategy be when you win clearly? If the judges had got it right that night, I doubt many people would even bring the question up. To say the strategy against Hearns was not a 'strategy', well you're just not thinking there Chris. A strategy to brawl is a strategy. Nothing complicated there. The first few round against Leonard, I'll grant you, it wasn't great tactics, in fact it was damn poor. Nearly as poor as Leonard's tactics against Duran the first time. Here we go !!!!

 

Well anything's possible JT, sure. But how can one say that on the one hand Hagler is too cautious, and then on the other hand say, well I can see him going for broke and winging shots? Against a speedster like SRL, Hagler pot shotted a few wild ones along the way, but for the most part his punches were very controlled. That's Hagler's game really and that's why I take exception with Chris' comments. Remember that straight left hand that got Leonard in trouble in the 9th? No winging shots there my friend. And the compact right uppercut that had Sugar Ray clinging on in the 5th. No wild ones there, no sir !!!