Roy Jones Jr. vs. Marvin Hagler, at middleweight< who wins?

You stating that Hopkins was robbed is an opinion, the fight was ruled a draw and there will be some that scored it for Mercado, what I score it is irrelevant, that's just another opinion.

Hopkins may have been 28, but that ignores that Hopkins started his career considerably later than Jones. Once again, Hopkins needed another two attempts to win a world title, and had accomplished nothing when he fought Jones.

He beat Malinga (already beaten by both Benn and Eubank) and Tate at SMW, not MW. Vaca had 9 losses at that point, had already been stopped in 3 by Honeyghan (a very good fighter).

Marvin Hagler's MW resume needs no explanation, it speaks for itself. He's arguably the greatest MW of all time. Now, what did Roy Jones accomplish at MW, that suggests he could beat a prime Marvin Hagler?

If there are forum rules which state I'm not allowed to post in the classic forum, please direct me to them. Otherwise, thanks for your contribution.

 

Yes, he certainly would.:good

 

Hagler can win, he was a beast, but I just think Roy was To Fast, to Athletic, To Good....Roy pulls it out. The only time Roy would have trouble is when he goes to the ropes. But he'll learn quickly to stay off.

Forget experience. Although great to have, It can be overrated.

We can go down a list of fighters who had less experience and won.

 

Have to disagree here.

Roy ain't lighting nobody up at the elite level........any serious opposition and he plays it safe, he did not light up Toney or Hopkins and they are not in Haglers zipcode. The closest one would be the Hill fight but i rate Hill several notches below all the above mentioned. Now, if you talk about the various Postman, Cops and some of the usual gatekeeper or paperbelt holders, yeah, sure some of them he lit up.

I am not sayiing he could not win but he is going to be veryyyyy cautious.

This is not aimed at you but here is another myth......the Roy Jones chin issue due to going up and down in weight until the Tarver KO.

I call BS, Jones was fully dressed for the Ruiz weigh in and there were strong rumors/reports that he had weight strapped on underneath. IMO he fought Ruiz at his normal walk around weight, maybe juiced up but nevertheless no exorbitant weight/muscle gain. So similar to Pac he had the advantage of not cutting weight or seriously diet .
So I don't by the fairytale that when he went down to fight Tarver his chin all over sudden was affected by fighting at his natural (or grown in) weight .......that was his fighting weight anyway because he ain't no heavy by any means, hell, he is not even a cruiser.

I conclude that Jones's chin was always below par at best protected by his natural talents but when those talents faded it was lights out , literally, he was LAID OUT COLD and no strong chin EVER turned china overnite, weightgain/loss or not. Chavez,SRL , Trinidad or ODH for example, even washed up and old never were out like that.

He also put on a fine acting performance on after the Del Valle knock down .......he was not major hurt by that relative light punch but seriously shaken up and it did not hit me when I saw the fight but when I watched it again a few days later I realized how hurt he was and his achilles heel was exposed. His amazing reflexes, careful matchmaking with some ducking with the talk he did not want to end up like G man, his pull out of the joke of a joke Buster Douglas impersonator fight kept his streak intact for several years but the hammer was coming and I believe he knew it too .

 

all you had to do was look at jones to see how much bigger he was in the ruiz fight compared to the tarver fights. the "juiced" up jones tested negative after the ruiz fight and worked with a great trainer in mackie shillstone. and as for the weight strapped rumor, i'll just say that you have no common sense. i haven't been on these boards in months and i see nothing as changed. same crap, different idiots posting.

 

It's generally considered a robbery as most agree, just like Lennox-Holyfield, don't take my word for it, watch the fight if you don't believe me. So in that case Jones beat a Hopkins who would go undefeated for 11years until the controversial Taylor fights

The Malinga and Tate were during his MW tenure, over the weight or not

Hagler's MW resume actually is good but he hasn't fought anyone remotely in the class of Jones, semi-retired inactive smaller Leonard aside. Jones dominating Hopkins is better than Hagler losing to Leonard in terms of how this match up plays out

 

It is not considered a robbery on the level of Lewis-Holyfield, don't forget Mercado scored 2 knockdowns. It's not nearly like Lewis-Holyfield, it was a close fight that ended in a draw, if you scored it for Hopkins, that's your opinion. Mercado was a good counter-puncher, and much of Hopkins' work was ineffective aggression. Once again, Hopkins had achieved nothing when Jones fought him (for a vacant title), and needed another 2 attempts to win a world title.

Malinga and Tate were fights at SMW, we're discussing a MW match up. I've already been over Malinga and Tate in my previous point.

Hagler's MW reign was devestating, he KO'd 11/13 opponents as Champion. Never fought anyone remotely in Jones' class? He beat a prime Thomas Hearns in one of the greatest fights of all time. Thomas Hearns would destroy Roy Jones. He beat top contenders of the era, with wins over HOF'ers in an undefeated John Mugabi, and Roberto Duran (Who went on to win a MW world title years later). He was past his prime when he fought Leonard, and it was a close fight. Leonard is also a greater fighter than Jones.

Hearns, Leonard and Mugabi not being anywhere near Jones' class is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read on these boards. Hearns and Leonard are true ATG's, Jones isn't.

Once again, what has RJJ achieved at MW, that suggests he would beat a 'prime' Marvin Hagler?

Let's use your logic about the Hagler from the Leonard fight. I can state that Chad Dawson would destroy Roy Jones at LHW, as Roy Jones got destroyed by feather fisted Glen Johnson.

Jones weighed 193 for the fight with Ruiz, he weighed 186 on fight night at LHW. 7 pounds of muscle is by no means drastic, and would not have had a huge effect on him. Many fighters have done it, Thomas Hearns, Archie Moore for example.

 

he weighed 199 the day of. the scale was off on the original weigh-in when merkerson and stone got into a shoving match and hit the scale. here's video proof of roy's weight. start at 3 min mark.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrHydFIwfBo[/ame]

 

Maybe the commentators for Jones-Tarver 1 said Jones looked dead at the weigh in and couldn't regain any weight, so was only weighing slightly over 175. By round 5 Jones was gasping for air and looked old but still pulled out the decision.

'My kids came in crying after watching Roy Jones on youtube worried about me, I told them 'don't worry, this isn't the same Roy Jones anymore" - Joe Calzaghe

 

here's the link for that calzaghe quote.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9164514.stm[/url]
more proof of why calzaghe was a fraud.

 

Jones rehydrated to 186 on fight night as a LHW. 193-186 = 7. If you use 199, 199-186= 13. It's really not that drastic, Hearns did it, Moore did it and were strong. Please respond to my previous post on Hagler-Jones.

Why are you bringing Calzaghe into this? Listen, Jones weighed 193 on the official scales, even if you use the figure of 199 or whatever, it's still only 13 pounds.

Calzaghe was a fraud? Understand this, Calzaghe beat the man in the divisions he campaigned at. Jones never beat a lineal or unified champion in his entire career, at any division he campaigned at.

 

He didn't rehydrate to 186 against Tarver, he only added a few pounds because he was dead at the weight, he was 35 and past it and still pulled out a win. There's video evidence of him weighing 199 pre-Ruiz.

 

Official records indicate he weighed 193, I've even taken into account that at 199, it's still at the most 7-13 pounds. This isn't that drastic a figure.

He weighed 186 on fight night as a LHW. He won a very close fight, that could have gone either way, and I don't have to explain what happened in the rematch, when Jones had plenty of time to grow accustomed to the weight, and be comfortable at LHW.

Now please respond to my previous post on Hagler-Jones

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