Roy Jones Jr Vs Marvin Hagler

I agree with these points. I think Hagler would do pretty well - HOWEVER - I can't get past RJJ's speed. He was so fast, hit so hard with both hands (from any angle), and had such great reflexes, that I have a hard time imagining him getting hit enough. I just feel it would boil down to RJJ hitting Marvin more than he got hit himself. His punches would likely be more effective.

Hagler was such a great boxer/puncher :bbb that he'd give Jones all sorts of trouble, but I just can't pick him. I hadn't thought of this matchup before, and Hagler is one of my favorite all-time fighters. I have many of his fights on DVD and on my computer and I'm gonna have to go back and watch them all again. I want a good reason to pick him over RJJ.

 

i wish hangler stuck around a bit longer after the leonard fight, i'm sure a conditioned hanglar at 40 could have given jones a world of problems.

 

Since when did Hopkins fight like Johnson? :huh

Hopkins is wait even longer than Jones to throw a punch - which plays to Jones' style. Same with Toney.

I'll put it this way, if Jones had an iron chin, he would not have lost to Johnson in that fight. It would have looked like PBF-Hatton, perhaps not the same KO ending, but IMO Jones would have won nevertheless.

 

Hagler was a great fighter, but I think have too much faith in him and not enough in father time.

 

he wouldnt win but he'd present a few problems, problems jones would probrably have never encoutered later on in his career

 

Both of those statements are false. A prime Hagler was not even neccessarily a pressure fighter at all. And as far as Jones not being pressured. Also false. Watch his fights with Hopkins, Sosa, Brannon, etc and see how easily he dealt with them. He was way past his prime against Glen Johnson, and aside from Hearns, Hagler has never pressured like that.

SRL was also smaller, slower, and less powerful than Jones at that stage of his career at MW.

Based on what? He dealt with pressure fine in his prime.

Again, a prime Hagler was no pressure fighter, though he was capable of it. He'd likely try to box with Jones for a while before switching it up upon realizing he couldn't win the fight that way. That's when he would start the attack, by which point Jones would be up on points, and the rest of the match would go with Jones sticking and moving, likely losing some rounds, but boxing similar to how Leonard did.

 

In the public's eye? Possibly. In reality? No way. And the weight drop from Heavyweight back down to LHW at that stage of his career is what killed him the most, and sped up the aging process.

If you can watch the Jones from the 90's and tell me he was the same guy of the Tarver fight, or any fight since then, then you would be lying. And don't give me some **** about stepping up comp, as he proved himself against much better fighters than that.

 

LOL....Johnson said in an interview that watching Hopkins fight Jones showed him how to beat him. Hopkins applied constant pressure in that fight. He didn't let his hands go for fear of getting countered. If Johnson had fought prime Jones, he would quickly have had that fear as well.

Perhaps perceived that way, but it wasn't the truth. Jones prime ended in 01, and his decline began after that. The public thought he was still prime because he was still winning. But great fighters win past their primes, some even lose in their primes. Jones legs started to go in 01, when he started laying on the ropes.

 

Jones Jr by UD. Too quick for Hagler.

 

Jones was finished. And I said nothing about Jones being invincible NOT sure where you got that from. The point of my post was simple; Jones has gotten pressured before, but they could not keep it up. Why? Because jones had the reflexes to throw inbetween their punches at a fast rate, hit them with quick shots on the ropes they could not see. You don't realize that Jones FOUGHT GOOD OFF THE ROPES in his prime, you see him get KO'd by Johnson when he didn't have his legs anymore, didn't have his desire, didn't have his massive reflexes, and other variables and think he was close to his prime. NO. Jones wasn't even in his prime when he fought John Ruiz either, but he also wasn't feeling the effect of losing 20lbs of muscle within a few months at age 35 either.

Byrant Brannon pressured Jones JUST LIKE Johnson did, no difference. He literally ran at Jones and pinned him on the ropes throwing shots at his body and etc. Only difference is this was a Prime JONES who had the reflexes to throw sharp fast combinations from the inside inbetween his punches and fought GREAT off the ropes. The version you saw in the Johnson fight was a shell of that Jones. If you are going to bring up your opinion please make sure you actually know what you are talking about in regards him not being pressured like that.

Jones still beat Tarver in the first fight, but anyone would be clueless to attempt to say that Roy was the same fighter he was in his prime when he fought Tarver. He didn't have his legs really. People like you tend to believe that a fighter doesn't lose his reflexes and legs as they age.

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Johnson had the same strategy, only difference is this was a prime Roy. Stupid video not coming through to the forum, says its not available but it is. just click this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU&feature=related

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Roy fought good off the ropes.

 

sure, hagler is the far greater middleweight.

but jones had the talent and style to upset him.

roy by UD.

 

Johnson was winning up until the knockdown. I highly doubt Jones was going to switch it up at any point in that fight. As he got older, his reflexes were becoming just a split second slower...and being his defense relied heavily on his reflexes - making him elusive - he was unable to fight under Johnson's pressure. As for Hagler, most people would give Hagler the nod because of Jones chin. I'm a bit unsure of what prediction to give for a prime against prime 160 fight against the two, but with Jones and all his relfexive ability I would say a Jones UD decision - but no way one sided. This being based off of the Hagler/Leonard fight where Hagler would let Leonard get off a quick flurry without coming at him in time for Leonard to slip away. (Still have it 115-113 Hagler everytime I watch it).

 

What Johnson did is what other fighters in his same position DID when Roy was in his PRIME. B-Hop pressured and Bryant Brannon UTILIZED the SAME exact Tactic Johnson did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU&feature=related

And Jones chin isn't china either, he could take a punch better before.

Hagler was a great boxer puncher who could pressure if need be. If he would win, it would be due to a combination of things he could do in the ring, but Roy did not have trouble with Pressure. This is the same thing that people somehow figured into their heads when the fight between Mayweather and Hatton was signed. O Floyd can't deal with pressure so he is going to lose.

 

I rank Hagler as a great middlewt and don't want to denigrate his abilities.

However, Roy was a bigger, stronger middlewt, with superior boxing skills to Marvin's.

It depends what the thread starter has in mind.

Does he mean the version of Roy that actually fought at middlewt versus prime Hagler?

If so, an interesting fight which I feel Roy would have won on speed, athleticism and superior boxing ability. Hagler would not have landed cleanly as much as he did against SRL. I don't know about Roy's chin in those days since it was NEVER really tested, and what makes anyone think Hagler would land when no-one else could. (I suspect prime Roy could take a better punch than the shot version of him could against Tarver and Johnson)

Or does he mean if Roy had stayed at middlewt (which he could have) for an extra three or four years until he was about prime, versus prime Hagler?

In this scenario, Roy wins every round and can most likely stop Haggler at will in the second half of the fight.

 

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