Roy Jones Jr vs Michael Nunn At MW

1. Which scheduled 9 min amateur fight of Tarver's, with head gear, should I take into account?

2. You're just waffling.

Any fighter who turned pro at 28, with 22 fights on his resume, would be fresher than a guy who'd turned pro at 20, with 50 fights on his resume, unless he'd had 22 all out wars.


Now I'm seriously getting bored, so why don't we leave it?

 

So I got no answer, just like I openly predicted as can be seen in my previous posts.

In my previous posts I already answered this.

You can leave it whenever you want but expect your manipulative and dishonest posts to get exposed as what they are.

 

Continuing this debate, would be absolutely pointless.

So we'll agree to disagree and move on. :good

 

Fighting the good fight, as always

 

It will remained unanswered by you forever, just like all your arguments with everyone else in this thread and other threads. I hope at some point, someone else will notice that you are only here to spout your lies, manipulate other people's posts, and hope it will remain unanswered and people will either not notice or let it pass due to them growing tired from you. The good thing is that the only one that grew tired is you.

 

Hey Scott!

How's it going?

Haven't spoken to you in ages.

 

:good

 

:hey

 

Loudon

Jones's conditioning in the first Tarver fight is pretty much irrelevant

-He struggled with Eric Harding. I had Jones winning by the time of the stoppage by only a 6-4 decision

-He was properly rehydrated for the Tarver II fight and he lost that fight decisively

Jones had a lot of flaws, but he rarely fought opponents with the boxing iq to take advantage of those flaws.

He brought his hands back low, after punching. It is the reason why he was constantly getting tagged with counter left hooks from Griffin.

He dropped his right guard when he threw his left hook. It's the reason why McCallum was hitting with him counter left hooks whenever Jones threw his leaping left hooks

He wasn't very adept at blocking punches, which is why he ended up getting caught with that Tarver overhand left counter. He had his right guard up but his chin was still exposed. A really amateurish mistake which a fighter at his level should not be making

This is what we know going into a third Tarver fight

-Tarver has the power to stop Jones, but Jones does not have the power to stop Tarver

-Jones fought all southpaws in the exact same way. It's the reason why Tarver was able to prepare so well against him in their first two fights

-Tarver had the same style as Harding, who Jones struggled with

Conclusion:
He struggles with Tarver no matter at what point in time their third fight happens

 

Loudon

They have a bearing because we get to see how Jones deals with a fighter with a similar style to Nunn

Jones lost the Calzaghe fight because he quit, not because he could not figure out Calzaghe's style. Going into that fight Jones's plan was to pot shot from behind a turtle shell defense, but it quickly became obvious after Calzaghe upped his work rate that that plan was not going to work. In order to win he would of needed to throw caution to the wind and fight a much more offensive minded fight, but he didn't want to do that.

Going into the Harding fight Jones had fought 4 southpaws and he struggled greatly against Harding. If Jones had zero experience against southpaws going into that fight then I think it is safe to say he would of struggled even more and this is prime Jones we are talking about here.

-He was in his prime when he fought Harding

-The fact that he was a bit past prime cannot be used as a argument for the reason why he struggled with Tarver either. If a fighter is good in his prime then he should still be good when he is past prime. It is only when a fighters reflexes are severely declined that his physical state should be considered.

Of course. Tarver gives any version of Post Hall Jones fits

Jones fought all southpaws the same way, so McGirt would of always been in the position to prepare a solid game plan against him.

 

Loudon

The Roy Jones that fought Hopkins fought a underwhelming fight. Jabbing while being completely out of range and throwing few meaningful punches. And it should be pointed out that Hopkins was nothing special at that stage of his career he was struggling with journeymen like Baptist and Mercado.

Nunn outworks that version of Jones

 

Loudon

-Tarver was basically a southpaw Kelly Pavlik and Dawson would of ran over him no matter at what stage in their careers they met.

-Dawson did not go all out against Tarver. In fact he even cruised for a few rounds during their fight.

The weight loss did not affect him. Tarver reached his fight night weight 6 weeks into camp. His camp was 10 weeks. Do you think Tarver was weight drained for 4 weeks?

Tarver fighting to secure his legacy

 

Loudon

Jones had no right to push Tarver into that elimination bout in the first place. Especially when he made mandatory defenses against the likes of non-threats like Thornton, Brannon, Woods and Kelly.

I think I can safely say that there were a few lies told in that pre-Brannon talk, especially when the head of HBO blames Jones for not making the big fights at smw:

Boxing's Mantle--What Is Roy Jones' Legacy?

HBO Boxing The Challenge

Who do you think would be in the best position to know if Jones's offers where legit, a HBO commentator or the president of HBO?

-How much did Jones offer Liles?
-How much did Liles want?

If you don't know the above then you are not really in a position to judge Liles demands. Just because you want more money does not mean you don't want the fight. Woods and Tarver II comes to mind

That quote should not be taken literally because O Hallaron and his wife managed Liles throughout his career.

It should also be pointed out that Freddie Roach (Liles trainer), has a very different account of things:

Calzaghe-Jones and an era in judgment - boxing - ESPN

 

Loudon

We are looking at the Tarver fights to see the flaws in Jones's overall boxing iq. If he could not put together a game plan to effectively neutralize Tarver, with all of those years of experience then he will not be able to put together a game plan to neutralize Nunn.

That's because Tarver is nothing special

Glen Johnson never beat him. Tarver should of won both of those fight
Tarver basically quit in the first Harding fight

It means that Jones used the wrong tactics against Tarver

Dawson 's jab and combination punching completely shut down Tarver.Dawson punches were too fast and the combinations stopped Tarver from counter punching.

In fairness Jones did use a similar tactic in the rematch with Tarver but his chin let him down. You really need to have a solid chin to fight such a aggressive fight

Hopkins used lateral movement and timed Tarver's lazy jabs with right hand leads then tied Tarver up to stop him from counter punching.

Jones used similar tactics during the first round of the Tarver III fight but then he moved away from them

Glen Johnson did not beat Tarver so its basically a mote question

Nunn knew how to deal with adversity, the Cordoba fights come to mind, so there is no way he puts up the same pitiful fight that Tarver did against Hopkins and Dawson

 

Loudon

But you are only considering the factors you like

Styles make fight. A fighters style might allow them to beat another fighter but in turn they may also lose to another fighter because of his style.

Jones is a left hand dominant counter puncher who did not use a jab. If he had a jab then the whole dynamic of his fights with southpaws would of been different.

80% of Jones offense was with his left hand. If a southpaw is defensive minded then it is hard to land a left punch effectively. Your best bet would be a counter left over a lazy jab, but that does not work against the tall rangy guys. Leaving Jones with just the left hook to the body. Jones threw a right hook to the body and shot a lead right cross to the head.The problem here is that you really need a jab to make the right cross more effective. A punch that Jones did not use and that is why he struggled so much with guys like Harding and Tarver.
And this is why we talk about those fights.

You want to want focus on absolutely everything except Jones's style
Do you really think it is a sheer coincidence that Nunn, Guthrie, Jirov, Liles and Tarver had such a hard time getting a fight?