Roy Jones Jr vs Michael Nunn

Good excuse. Nunn was landing arm punches and Toney was landing powerpunches and breaking him down. It was like Taylor-Chavez. Both Chavez and Toney landed the meaty blows of the contest where as Nunn and Taylor landed the flashy light blows.

Also Nunn lost to Lilles and someone I've forgot the name of

Nunn was a very low IQ boxer

 

'Nunn at his best' - that was the Michael who fought Tate. He dominated James by standing in front of him and outboxing the guy - Jones couldn't stand in front of him and out skill him.

 

The myth that Nunn dominated Toney, he didn't he was landing the worse punches throughout the fight.

The other myth that Nunn was 'at his best against Tate'. He wasn't he was just facing a worse fighter.

 

Come on dude, it's well known Michael had a problem with cocaine after he became champ. He didn't look remotely the same guy v Barkley or Starling. But turned it on against JT fighting a different, more crowd pleasing style he was pressured into doing to try to become more marketable. And boy, did he dominate

 

You know this isn’t true.

The winner of the Benn-Eubank rematch was lined up to fight Toney.

We all remember the Jonathan Ross show.

When they drew, they didn’t have any contractual obligations.

Eubank then opted to take his SKY deal.

He wasn’t interested in facing the big named U.S. fighters.

He’s on record saying he didn’t pursue the likes of Roy and Nunn etc.

He said that Nunn was awkward like Herol, and that fighting guys like Roy would have been career suicide.

He also said that fighting Toney could have ended up being like a Watson fight.

He was content to do his own thing, and he was only interested in defending his WBO belt for the most part.

He said unless they became his WBO mandatories, (which wasn’t possible as they weren’t ranked) he wasn’t interested.

We both know that he was never the same after the Watson tragedy. So I have no issue with what he did. But don’t try and imply that he was pushed out of the picture because he wasn’t.

He was more than happy to fight the guys who he did. But as we saw, it was a mistake for him to fight so often. It took an awful lot out of him.

 

I’m not saying that.

I’m saying that, in the U.S. the PPV figures are the most important thing.

Otherwise every big fight would be held in a huge NFL stadium.

 

So we're calling Eubank a liar?

The winner of Eubank-Benn II was contracted to fight Michael Nunn.

However, going into 93, Benn wasn't in Eubank's plans - Nunn and Toney were, to prove who was the best. Eubank said he expected to Toney to beat Barkley with better craft. He didn't want to fight beyond 93, so he said.

 

With no atmosphere and three quarters empty.

 

Also insisting Bob Arum was lying when saying he didn't want Eubank to fight his fighters. Ok.

 

Eubank is on record as saying he doesn't like the sport of boxing and he's in it solely for the money. Why would he do anything other than look for the best financial deal?

He signed a 8 fight deal for £10m with Sky. If he loses to Toney, he's probably pocketing 3-5m, but his stock would be in the dirt with no belt. So £10m for 8 fights was a better deal for him.

 

You are trying to paint a picture where Eubank was frozen out.

That is not what happened.

Nobody held a gun to his head and made him sign his Sky/ITV deals.

I have seen numerous interviews where he said he didn’t pursue Roy, Toney and Nunn, and that he was content to just defend his WBO belt.

Again, I can’t blame him after the Watson fight.

I have 100% respect for him.

Calzaghe came along afterwards and did the exact same thing.

The difference was, where Eubank admitted that he was just content to defend his WBO belt, Joe always claimed that he was a victim of circumstances, where he was robbed of fighting the best.

I have no issue with Eubank’s comments. But don’t try and pretend that he wanted those fights but couldn’t get them. That’s not the truth.

He didn’t want them.

 

You’re very argumentative.

 

Don’t give me all that.

I’m not saying that Arum was lying.

I’m saying to you that nobody made Eubank sign his Sky deal, and that he’s on record saying that he didn’t want to fight the big named U.S. fighters.

He said that.

You are trying to tell us that he wanted those fights but he couldn’t get them.

That’s not true.

He was happy to stay in Europe and do his own thing.

 

Who didn’t want to fight beyond 93?

Better craft?

Toney put in a masterful display.

It was an amazing performance by him.

 

On ITV's 1992 year-end show, Eubank said 93 would be his final year and he wanted six fights minimum or ideally 10!! Then walk away from the sport. Culminating in Toney and Nunn. These were his words.

Arum's response was that Eubank would make them look bad on TVKO and so he wouldn't let them fight him. From his mouth.

Only stating facts.