Roy Jones Jr. vs. Murderers Row

Choose your preferred post:

1. Are you on drugs? Or is the flash and pizzazz of color TV and close-ups got you all excited?

2. Sugar Ray Leonard beats them both.

 

It took me a second to get that second post. But the truth is the ruth.

 

It's not me who's providing generalized observations and concluding that they fought similarly. The similarity is only on surface, when you start looking deeper, there's a lot of difference.
To add to what I already mentioned, Jones liked and used a lot of fighting off the ropes which I don't remember reading Burley doing, and it's no minor skill to master. Jones was a master body-puncher, not something I read about Burley, and what's the supposed "analysis" video is showing Burley throwing several right hands to the arm or the back of Smith, he's not timing when Smith's is throwing his left hand and his left side is open, he's throwing right hook when Smith's covering up. Left uppercuts go to the stomach, again not the most effective thing to hurt an opponent, whereas Jones preferred going to lower side when the opponent was throwing right hand or keeping right hand too high.
Even at an old age you see Jones' typical moves staying the same, because they were the result of years and years of every-day training and are hard to change even if you see that they are not working anymore. I don't think Burley's typical moves were much different from what we see him do vs Smith. He may have been throwing more and clinching less, but the moves, the punches he chooses to throw in this or that kind of situation are not something he chooses to do in this particular fight and against this particular opponent, he's using the moves he has learned to use. And there's a LOT of difference in the substance between the two based on film that is available, punching arsenal, defense, tactics. Far too much, to conclude based on superficial similarities that they fought similarly. And I see little where Burley has an advantage in skills over Jones.

 

Burley - klows f8
Marshall - KOs Jones
Williams - Jones kud win zis
Cocoa Kid - 2 smol 2 f8 Jones , sow Jones daz e Vaca on him .
Elmer Ray - biger zan Jones & KOs him
Booker - KOs Jones

 

How about this: Roy Jones beats them both

Roy, master of the right lead, would slap Sugar around then take him out whenever he felt like it

Roy was just that good in his prime. He could destroy you a thousand times in a thousand different ways

Either by humiliating you in a total outclassing, by brutal KO - whether by body shot or crippling one two, a flurry of left hooks to fast for the eye to see

Burley would lose by UD

I'm just being honest

plz no hatas

 

I agree. They are nothing alike. How did this rumour get this far on ESB. Are all ESBers that gullible?

 

Compare the Smith bout with what he was described as doing vs Charles and Lloyd Marshall. I think either Otty or Rosenfeld even noted the similarity of how he fought vs other big guys with what they saw on film.

 

Jones Middleweight is King.

 

It must be great being Roy Jones.

You get to spend your career avoiding fights with the most dangerous challengers of your era, and still some people will favour you over much more dangerous hypothetical challengers from other eras.

People should be looking at him a lot more critically here.

 

Wrong...Wrong.

 

You're being a little unfair to Jones and stretching a little here too SH with the little footage we have against a good but limited contender.

Burley has technically better footwork although both take half steps backing off to their right, Burley will circle more, ofcourse Burley's best punch being his right wants his opponent to walk onto that shot, where as Jones best punch being his left hook wants to step over to his left to land his lead left hook. He looks to be square more often to do so. This is seen as technically wrong but because of the speed and angles he uses is really ever caught out on it. He uses his jab better in this fight more so than later in his career.

Burley has a more traditional shoulder roll and never comes square. Both fighters use angles to get their shots off without overly exposing themselves. Roy again is moving more to his left but at times check hooks his opponent while well over that left side. Jones also sets up right hand counters and is arguably the best 2 handed counter puncher in history being able to counter so accurately with both hands.

To set up counters Burley uses footwork to step off and counter. Where as Roy uses his waist and hips to lean into the danger zone, creating a trap, when his opponent throws his slips to the side and counters in a very short space of time. You do need to be more athletic with quick reactions to pull this off but it takes a great deal of skill to pull off.

People see the 'reactions' as Jones only method of defense, which isn't the case. His most complete defensive performance is perhaps against Hopkins as Hopkins was technically excellent, constantly throwing, cutting off the ring with educated footwork. Jones would ofcourse slip punches but needed movement, circling and turning and a solid body defence against Hopkins to take back the ring centre.

With relative ease based on the footage of Burley. Burley if he was the same size would be too slow to be first or slip Roy's shots imo BUT we're talking about fighters who are 154 in the ring versus a better opponent who comes into the ring from 168-172, it's a none contest.

Pure fantasy based on footage against a gatekeeper, which shows Burley is about as quick as Toney if not slower of hand. Your analysis of Jones competition is also unbalanced, in the last 30 years he's fought more champions and top 10 rated contenders than nearly anyone and 2 P4P no1s, 3 if you count Trinidad, which I won't but most on the Classic will rate similar wins against past it 'greats'.

Yea, except, he fought bigger and better versions of the Murderer's Row fighters and beat them easily.

If the Murderer's Row were in his own time they'd be labelled as bums by the likes of Klompton

 

Rosenfeld, page 343:

"Fair enough Mr Abrams. But in retrospect, I feel something remains to be said. I have watched my film of Burley vs. Billy Smith a number of times. Smith was bigger and an extraordinarily dangerous ring man. In his very next bout he KOed Harold Johnson with one surprise punch. Thinking about it, I believe Burley used the same tactic against Smith he earlier used against Charles--albeit more successfully: to punch then clinch, and keep the fight dull. Charles had every advantage but experience. He easily won. But Burley managed to keep the fight dull. He had avoided serious harm, and never seems to have been in serious trouble. Furthermore, after the weigh-in for that fight, I suspect Charles may have beefed up to 170 pounds."

 

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Leonard cant handle prime Durans speed is going to handle someone bigger faster and stronger?

 

--I don't buy that Leonard beats them both for a minute. That was an inside joke for redrooster, who despises SRL.