Roy Jones Jr. vs. Oleksandr Usyk.

This. Usyk beat THE Heavyweight Champion twice. He also beat the #2 Heavyweight twice.
Glass Jaw Roy handpicked John Ruiz and never fought again at Heavyweight. Speaks volumes.

 

I don't think Briedis is great personally i'd rate him as very good the great Cruiserweights for me are Holyfield, Usyk, i don't really think there's been an actual great Cruiserweight apart from them two but that's just my opinion of course.

 

You’re a harsh man, my friend. But I respect your opinion.

 

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What @Serge said.

 

I don't think you're following. How much further do you want to shift the bar? I've been watching Floyd fights recently, he was phenomenal. Skill for skill I have him up with anyone. Resume? No. Achievements? No. And he regularly lost rounds. He wasn't an untouchable beast like a prime Roy. He wasn't that kind of fighter. If he had more power he could have been that guy who was dominant and never lost rounds. You're a fan of Floyd, so am I. But in your case it's clearly blinding you from thinking clearly about him.

 

Some people on a discussion board you're not going to find much value in talking with, and you're one of those people for me. For someone called philosopher you're not much of a thinker or seeker of truth. I'm not trying to be mean but I don't want to talk to you.

 

I'm not trying to claim that Usyk didn't lose rounds. I raised that when someone was claiming that Floyd was dominant as an argument on why he was greater.
Wins don't matter, quality of wins matter. Otherwise you have to say that every 20-0 prospect is greater than Lomachenko or Beterbiev.
I don't know what you mean by a ranked win. Usyk regularly fought and beat champs all over the world. Became undisputed twice. Undisputed against unbeaten guys. How many times was Floyd undisputed, how many times did he take an unbeaten prime opponents 0 away? Floyd was the money man, he was always looking for the name he could make the most from.
Punch stats, compubox? What a ridiculous thing to take seriously and judge a fighter by. That's not even worth talking about.
I'll concede the last point because Floyd did have more fights and that was how he operated - who is a name who is past their best or not at their best yet that I can beat for the most money? Usyk was always trying to find and beat the best for all the belts. Two totally different ways of going about it. If you're talking about who is the greatest and who achieved the most it's not even close, Usyk is so far ahead of him and even ahead of Pac. At least you can admit that Pac is greater than Floyd, and that's why I bring him up. Usyk is clearly greater than Pac as well, Floyd isn't even as great as his rival.

 

And this folks is why people are getting tired of the hype Usyk gets its his intolerable fans that do it.

Usyk is a nice guy very good resume a great fighter nothing to dislike about him.

I even made a thread prior to the Usyk/Fury fight saying "it would be better for the sport if Usyk wins"

So i do like Usyk but i can also have a realistic honest opinion about his career and overall ranking.

But when you read stuff like this "Usyk is far ahead of Mayweather and even Pacquiao"

It makes you just shake your head in disbelief.

 

Brother I'm not shifting the bar you just come out with random statements which I disprove and then you have no answer for it.

You claimed "Mayweather should have 3 losses"

which i disproved to be false.

You then claim "Mayweather regularly lost rounds and wasn't dominant"

So I put a question to you how many fighters won more than 3 rounds vs Mayweather in his career ?

Which you couldn't answer hence that proves my comment to be true that Mayweather was dominant and winning most of his fights in his career convincingly.

You then claim Usyk has a better resume and better achievements but that's not backed up with factual statistics.

Mayweather has beaten more notable names including fighters who ranked in the top 10 P4P and fighters who are considered great.

Mayweather has more world title wins and multiple titles across 5 weight classes.

So I don't know where you are getting this from that Usyk has better achievements and a better resume.

On average lower weightclasses mostly always have more talented fighters and better names.