Roy Jones Jr vs Smoking Joe Frazier, Prime for Prime, 15 rounds.

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  1. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Roy doesn't have enough to keep Joe off of him. I believe what Rumsfeld wrote summarizes this matchup. To paraphrase Joe Louis, Roy can run but he can't hide.
     
  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    Yes he would.
     
  3. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    It's not about the fact that I can't see the differences.
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    said that Frazier was much bigger, much stronger and more powerful than Roy.
    And I just replied that Ruiz was also much bigger, much stronger and more powerful than Roy, yet Roy still won.
     
  4. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    It's not silly at all. You said that Frazier was much bigger, much stronger and more powerful than Roy.
    I simply pointed out that Ruiz was also much bigger, much stronger and more powerful than Roy, yet he still didn't win.
    This doesn't automatically mean Roy is gonna win, but he has a good enough chance.
     
  5. 70sFan865

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    No, I said that Ali was much bigger, much stronger and more powerful than Roy and yet he couldn't stop Frazier.

    What is interesting, you never give credit older smaller fighters for beating bigger men but your whole argument here is from one fight against very underwhelming Ruiz.
     
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  6. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again, your comparing Frazier and Ruiz as if they fought similarly, and had the same
    skill level. Ruiz was nothing special as a heavyweight. Most knowledgeable fans know
    that. It's like comparing A Dodge Challenger Hellcat to A Dodge Challenger base.
    Both cars look almost identical but the " Hell cat" Challenger is a much different beast
    under the hood than the Challenger base.
    Both Ruiz and Frazier were heavyweights but they were completely different beast
    as fighters.
     
  7. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roy looks good for a few rnds moving and firing quick shots but after a few rnd e runs out of luck and get destroyed. Not pretty
     
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  8. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    I'm sorry, I misunderstood.

    In the scenarios I don't, it's cause those big men were not skilled.

    I just gave that as an example to show that Roy's speed can help him win. That does not mean he'll automatically win, but he's in with a shot due to that.
    Plus, if you look at their size, there isn't that much difference in size between FOTC Frazier and a 2003 Roy Jones:
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    was 5 feet 11 1⁄2,, 205 pounds and had a 73 inch reach
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    was 5 feet 11, 193 pounds and had a 74 inch reach
     
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  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys like Marciano, Tyson and Frazier are all wrong for Roy
     
  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But 1966 Muhammad Ali was, he did not get banned from boxing until 1967.
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even Iron Mike Tyson is too.
     
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  12. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He smiled too much when he was on HBO, even moved his eyebrows.
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are wrong my friend, Roy Jones Jr is no Oscar Bonavena on Sept 21 1966, knocked Joe Frazier down twice in one round, also Roy is no George Foreman either in 1973 and 1976.
     
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  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not about knocking him out or even knocking him down. I think it is very possible however that Jones could wobble Frazier early on with a sharp punch that he wouldn't see coming.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know what you mean, but Ali did not accomplish this until Fight II in 1874, round 2, but referee Tony Perez made a mistake in separating both Frazier and Ali.