Roy Jones Jr. Vs The Black Uhlan of The Rhine

With today nutrition Schmeling would probably be a solid 212

 

How would Roy have done at CW, against Jirov and Juan Carlos Gomez?

 

Is nutrition better today? There's a quite a bit of evidence that the actual quality of food is worse. One could argue that in the privation of post Great War Germany, there was some scarcity but I think Max grew up in Hamburg which was and remains a very prosperous port town.

Anyways... In order for Jones, Jr to win he needs to choose his shots and use his footwork to move around Schmeling, to keep off the end of his jab and never be cornered or trapped along the ropes. A taste of Max's power, even in his short, quick shots, and he will slow down. Roy needs to lead, both with his feet and right. He can not follow.

I think Roy can pull off this act for the better part of 9 rounds. I do think Max will begin to land later and his shots will mean a lot more. He will probably drop Jones and win at least a 15 round UD.

I don't want to belittle Roy's skills, which were very much suited to his talents (and not to many others who came before or after)... and I think the skills he evidenced at 160 or 175 do have relevance here, much as the skills Greb evidenced at 160 came in handy against 200 pounders. It's just not enough against a primed Schmeling... and that is no great condemnation.

 

I think nutrition is code for the peds.

 

I am not taking anything away from Jones here, but the default prediction has to be pretty heavily in favour of Schmeling.

People are prone to make wild predictions about what Jones might be able to do above 175 lbs, based on a very very limited resume.

In doing so they make massive assumptions in his favour, which his record does not justify, while denying the benefit of the doubt to his much more proven hypothetical opponents.

 

Max would put RJJ down and out,Max had a Heavyweight punch that would level RJJ

 

seriously, this ****ing thing of overrating jones is not even funny.. stop these stupid threads (in both forums)

 

At the age of 34, many were talking of him in terms of the greatest P4P fighter since Robinson and a lock for top 10 status…

Had he quit at that age, at an age when many greats were already retired, would that discussion have changed much?

 

Only nuthuggers and idiot fanboys like Kellerman were calling him the greatest P4P fighter. The rest of us who saw through HBOs hype saw him as a cherry picking chicken **** who refused to test himself against the best.

 

Schmeling gets that right hand in their and KO IMO

 

And guys like Steward, McCallum, Merchant, Farhood had him in the discussion… Ring Magazine had him either number 1 or number 2 in their annual rankings for 9 years.

Not that I entirely disagree with your criticism. However, the discussion existed beyond HBO.

You should write a book on Roy. It would make for high comedy.

 

Ruiz wasn't especially good, but he wasn't bad either. We must also remember that Jones had him in his pocket all night long and made Ruiz look rather foolish at times.

Not saying I'm picking Jones here, not at all. I haven't thought too deeply on it yet. But at 193 lbs. he was still ridiculously quick, seemed to carry decent pop in his punches and knew exactly how to control a much bigger, stronger opponent.

Might be a tough night for Schmeling...

 

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I'm in agreement. I would make Schmeling the favourite over Jones; as you say, one fight does not constitute a resume at heavyweight.

But at the same time, that fight did show us glimpses of what a 190-pound Jones is capable of, even if Ruiz was handpicked. Hindsight is great and all, but at the time, many saw this fight as a big risk for Jones.

As a boxing fan, I was very impressed by that performance. He put on a clinic. I do believe that it was something of a 'smash and grab' at the weight, but still. It was a fine victory.

 

After that fight Roy was seen as a top 3 heavyweight, along with Tyson and Holyfield!

After that he stood on top of the precipice!

He could either take additional fights at heavyweight, and gun for eternal glory, or step back down to 175 to make easy money.

He chose the latter, and it didn’t work out for him!