Roy Jones Jr vs the following

A 35 year old Jones was KO'd by what probably would have been one of the most hard punching HWs in the 40's and 50's. Before that he had had ten years of having his way with what would have been mostly HWs, and in some cases LHWs, during those decades. This does not translate into him losing to same day MWs, unless he had to kill himself to make 160 right before the fight.

 

What's so hard about this 12 month period? I don't really losing a round if he fights them back to back in a 12 day period. I mean maybe if he breaks both hands. But otherwise none of them have any advantage whatsoever. They're all super slow, bar Turpin and there all smaller except for Maxim. Turpin is probably the best of the bunch, so the only argument for having a chance

 

Yeah, Maxim is the only one his size. Probably a bit bigger actually. But slow and average power. Stylistically a field day for Jones.

Make Bob Foster or Michael Spinks southpaws and we have Jones's nightmare opponents, but none of these guys are close to that.

 

He was 29 against Nardico. He got knocked out as soon as A) Robinson grew into the division B) He stopped picking on welterweights.

And I don't hate him, I simply note that Lamotta is the most overrated middleweight of all time and his career for the most part is smoke and mirrors.

He's also an example of hometown corrupt fighter. If Lamotta was black he wouldn't have had a career and had all the gift decisions he received in this era.

Lloyd Marshall easily beat him and said he wasn't a very good boxer.

 

It's the gauntlet of hard fights one after the other.

I don't think anyone goes through it unbeaten.

Also, I rate Jones very highly, I just don't buy into him being unbeaten, especially 8f he had to weigh in as a 160 pound fighter on the night.

 

You mean if they were southpaws?

Agree he had a bit of an issue with southpaws. Although he did beat Tarver 1, Reggie Johnson, Harding, Del Valle and Grant who were just that. And beat Lilles in the amateurs

 

I don't think any of them are hard fights for him in prime stylistically or in terms of size/strength/skill. All of them are disadvataged in skill and speed by a huge amount. Most are disadvantaged by size

Turpin is the best of him as he looks the best and he beat a prime Robinson but stylistically on film I don't see how he stands a cat in hells chance.

 

The reality is though, you can't see this as a series of 1 off fights, it's a series of fights, a gauntlet.

If looking at film was enough of a reliable indicator into how a fight would go, we'd all be rich wouldn't we.

After Frampton schooled LSC, who would have fought LSC would switch it up and out box him in the rematch?

Who saw Fury changing his style and walking Wilder down?

Who would have fought Joshua would stick and move against Ruiz?

There's loads of examples of unpredictable outcomes based on video analysis.

I could guarantee that if Judah would never have fought Zoo, and moved up to WW earlier, you would be saying you can't see how Zoo times someone with such a speed and siza advantage over him. You'd point to the Phillips loss and say if anything Judah stops Zoo.

We're all different as posters, but I feel you personally sometimes put too much emphasis on the eye test.

 

Who cares? He had over 100 fights on him at that point and he had some brutal brawls in his career.

LaMotta fought at MW, not WW. Robinson fought him milion times and stopped him only once, come on...

Yeah, that's not hating sure...

Yeah, racist comments as usual. Good work

 

Yeah, of course you needed to be more than just a southpaw to beat Jones. But rangy, hard punching southpaws were the fighters that troubled him the most (I think he said as much himself). And as far as rangy, hard punching LHWs go you can't do much better than Foster and Spinks, so if you also make them southpaws...

 

So to be clear you don't think most black fighters being excluded ffrom title shots after beating top white contenders as racist. But the white loser who was useless at boxing being called on his ibabillity to beat black fighters but still getting the title shot as racist? Good to know.

 

As southpaws I'd agree they'd be harder to figure out. Butthey weren't. Which makes them easier to beat

 

It is racism, but you highly overrate the impact of racism in that era of boxing. Plenty of black fighters got his chances, it wasn't always fair but usually the best black boxers could win titles anyway. We're talking about an era when Louis, Armstrong, SRR, Moore, Charles, Walcott and many others won titles.

Calling LaMotta useless shows your agenda perfectly. I don't usually touch racism here because it's a tricky topic but stop with this bull**** just to prop up your hero Burley.

 

No one claimed they were.

 

Ducking Graziano wouldn't destroy him. It might frustrate him but he was used to being avoided.