Roy Jones Jr vs the following

We need reasons to bully Lachlan?

 

Jones Jr. beats them all, completely embarrassing most.
But Lomatta and Basilio , he'd better be on his "A" game.
Because those two have the physicality,aggressiveness
skill level and toughness to give Jones pure hell ,and could
pull-off the upset....

 

So Marciano is the GOAT to you? He was never beaten and you can't prove that his opposition was worse than any other fighter.

 

This is such a bad post.

 

Unless we’re looking at a scenario where Roy would have fought all of them inside a 6-12 month period, I’d confidently pick him over all of them.

I love these older fighters. There’s lots of fans on this forum who are ignorant of the older fighters or guys that they’re not familiar with. I spend hours arguing with them. However, we have to be realistic here and look at some of the guys who you’ve put forward.

Even though I’ve got great respect for all of these guys, I think some of the guys you’ve chosen wouldn’t have had a chance of beating Roy.

Carmen Basilio was a 5’6/5’7 former WW, in the days of same day weigh-ins.

How would he have beaten a prime version of Roy who’d have been a SMW-LHW on fight night?

Look at guys like Graziano and LaMotta.

Yes, they’re legends of the sport. But look at the height of them. Look at the reach that those guys possessed.

Those guys were like 5’8, with a reach of under 70” with a come forward style, where they were easy to hit.

Okay, they’d have pressured Roy for sure. They were warriors. But let’s be realistic. Roy was 5’10, with a 74” reach, with insane speed and reflexes, with one punch knockout power in either hand. He had a highly unorthodox style which was built around his incredible athleticism, and he’d have been 170 plus pounds on fight night.

Those guys didn’t possess the size or the style to have been favoured over him.

 

Why would Roy have ducked Graziano?

 

Why not?

He beat Castro, Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Hill, Reggie, Tarver and Ruiz etc.

Unless he fought them back to back in a very short space of time, then there’s no logical reason why he couldn’t have beaten them.

 

I can’t envisage it at all.

Fulmer would be a WW-JMW today.

He was 5’8 with a small reach, where he weighed less than 160 in the days of same day weigh-ins.

Ray Robinson may have been a better P4P fighter than Roy, but a prime version of Roy was every bit as dangerous as what Ray was at the weight.

Roy would have been too big, fast and powerful for most of these guys.

 

You really think a 5’6 former WW would have beaten a prime version of Roy?

 

Why would Jake have been favoured?

Look at his style and his size.

Look how easy he was to hit and how easy he marked up. Look at his scar tissue.

He’d have pressed Roy because he was an absolute warrior. But apart from the pressure, what would he have had for Roy?

There’s enough footage of his career.

We have the St Valentine’s Day massacre on film.

Look at Roy’s speed, timing and accuracy.

Roy would have been far too much for him.

Roy would have found him very easy to hit.

I could see why someone may have given him A chance, but it doesn’t make sense to me how someone could have made Jake a favourite.

 

No it's not.

 

We've already had this debate.

Ultimately all anyone can do is watch the fighters fight and have an educated guess.

You think Jones is too big, quick and powerful.

I think Jones is going to cave under the pressure.

We've done this already. Not even that long ago.

 

It is, you can't make a judgement on a fighter purely using the eye test without considering resume.

 

Cave under the pressure?

How about all of the leather that would have been incoming?

Jake was easy to hit.

He was easy to hit and he marked up.

He pressured Ray, but Ray hit him at will.

Roy was just as fast, powerful and as accurate as what Ray was.

You could also chose any other fight footage that is of decent quality.

You can’t just pick Jake because he pressured guys.

 

We literally had this exact debate 2 weeks ago.

If you want to do it again go read over the posts again.