Roy Jones Junior, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and their eras of dominance.

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A point about Eras :

    Bernard Hopkins makes 20 title defences at MW, holds the belts for years and people have the nerve to say he's never fought anyone. Hopkins gets pushed out by Taylor and all of a sudden 160lbs is alive, Taylor, Wright, Pavlik, Abraham, Martinez etc.

    One division north at 168lbs, Joe Calzaghe is Champion for a number of years, he makes 20 + defences and people have the nerve to say he's never fought anybody. Calzaghe goes to 175lbs and boom the division is alive with Ward, Froch, Bute, Dirrell, Kessler, Andrade, Green, Bika etc.

    One division higher North at LHW, Roy Jones is Champion for a number of years and makes multiple defences. People again say he has fought nobody. Roy declines and all of a sudden the division is alive with Tarver, Johnson, Dawson, Pascal, Hopkins and Calzaghe, etc

    Point is that people tend to dismiss rather than appreciate in Boxing. These three were better than their competition at their weight class and all three have had their reigns scrutanized by so called Boxing fans.

    You think it's a coincidence that once these three were no longer champs then their divisions became some of the best in Boxing? :huh Let's put it this way... If you have a horse race, and one horse is so much faster than the others, then you don't have an exciting race. But if you have a race with slower horses, who all run at around about the same speed? Then you have an exciting race.

    Not sure if this applies to the K brothers :stir
     
  2. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    So basically what your saying is we should put weights on a good fighters back as they do with horses?

    Hahahaha that would be funny as ****, lets do it.
     
  3. Prince.

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    Hopkins is a wise con-man criminal like Lex Luthor. Roy was Superman. Where Roy goes, the Sun shines and he rules. When Superman left the MW division to go and explore other divisions...Bernard-Luthor stayed behind an unprotected division where he knew he could rule over with the skies clear of Superman. Superman went on to bigger and better things flying high and fighting off bigger villains. Well until someone poured Kryptonite on him and then he was never the same. And then enters Bernard-Luthor.
     
  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    All those guys came in after they ended their dominance.
     
  5. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    When Joe was ruling SMW he also had a fighter in Sven Ottke who was also there winning fights at home so there were two top dogs in the divison that never fought so that somwhat harms Clazaghe's claim to ultimate dominance somewhat not to say his run at SMW wasn't a great achievement.

    Then you look at Jones who wouldn't take the fight with Michalczewski despite everyone wanting it but as soon as he's flattened and shot he's willing to travel to Russia or anywhere else for a fight it's just a shame he didn't show that intent when he wasn't a punching bag.

    Then finally we come to Hopkins who successfully defended his title a record 20 times and made sure there was no doubt he was the greatest MW since Marvin Hagler and this was topped off by his unification of ALL the major alphabet titles which made him the only true undisputed champion in the sport.
     
  6. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Id argue that Joe beat his Ottke in Mikkel Kessler.

    Jones goes to places like that because they pay him solid money, and he's still treated like a P4P star out there, people go to watch him train, public work outs are packed out. I agree that his LHW run is missing DM, but I think the Pole needed Jones more than vise versa. The fight shoukld of taken place, but in America, a place that DM has no intrest in going.

    Hopkins was fantastic, and pushed out by Taylor due to political reasons IMO. People dismiss his reign saying he fought nobodys and two over blown WW's, the point I am making is that these three dominated, preventing the emergance of solid stars like we have today. Curse of the gifted.
     
  7. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Hopkins fought who he could and yes he wasn't thrilled about a Roy rematch but he still fought a prime Roy albeit injured. His talent still shined against Hops. But Hopkins proved hardwork overcomes talent and even at 47 he's still the best of LHW and facing a new style in Dawson. Pretty impressive and won't happen again for a looooong time so we should enjoy the ol fart as long as he's here. His skill can only be compared to Floyd and JMM now.

    Calzaghe foguth Kessler and Bika who are still relevant and good fighters now so that says something good about him. Aswell as him having a slightly easier time with Bika than Ward did but that just means styles make fights. Bute cruised by Bika but that doesn't make him better than either. Calzaghe could've beaten em both but I only hold him not facing Dawson against him not the debatable Hopkins fight. Be honest, no one wanted to see a repeat of the mess of the first fight and the fact is he fought him win or not. Would love to see Zaghe in this time handle Ward and Bute but he is still a level above them until they clear out who the king of SMW is currently imo. Still could've beaten Dawson and I'm down that he flat out ignored him but Kessler was a better fighter and he handled him. Debatably great.

    Roy was immensely talented but I also don't like that he wanted to travel outside of US when he's done and not while he was still a force. As I do him taking steroids. TBF, yes him and DM would be a good match but a green Hopkins and an unmotivated Toney were still much better than him and Roy beat them clearly with no real struggle apart from a broken hand against Hopkins. They were the best he could've fought and he beat them people tend to not point that out. Great talent and possibly great but I have him over Calzaghe by wide margin and career-wise I have Hopkins over him but prime for prime Roy was better than both of them. Only thing I can't get over about him really is the roiding.
     
  8. Imperial1

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    Funny that the only reason Hopkins was able to become MW champ was due to Jones leaving ..He would have never had that run if Jones had stayed put ..And Joe had no equals at super middle Sven Otteke was a joke and knew to avoid Joe at all costs !
     
  9. AnotherFan

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    And skulking in the shadow does Joe "Last laugh" Calzaghe. I am not sure where he fits into the Superman mythology, but in the last second he stepped up from an infinity division, unifies and move up, and beat* them both :scaredas:

    *slaps
     
  10. SJS19

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    Colourful :lol:

    In Boxing history, it could be argued that Hopkins has accomplished the most with the least, of any ATG. (That's a little misleading, because Hopkins still was blessed with more physical gifts than most men.) I think he'll beat Dawson, for reasons I will post nearer the time. I think he really wanted that RJJ rematch, around about 2000 which is when it would of been huge. Not the awful return match we got a year or two ago.

    As for Calzaghe...
    I agree that the Dawson fight is relevant. Also bear in mind that Joe was 38, and if he beat Dawson there'd be another young guy to fight. It's the way Boxing works. People wanted to see Pavlik fight Calzaghe! What a massacre that would of been. Joe's resume is over looked by alot of Americans because they don't recognise names like Robin Reid or Ritchie Woodhall. Who I'd argue are no worse than Robert Allan on Hopkins resume, or Glen Kelly and Richard Hall on RJJ's.

    Jones roiding is a sore subject for me. Part of me doesn't want to believe that one of my hero's, superman, was a cheat. I'm not totally sold that he was, (Which on this forum opens up another never ending debate.) Mosley falls into that category too. I think at LHW, RJJ's most impressive win, is the first Antonio Tarver fight, with all things considered.
     
  11. Arcane

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    Beating Kessler was all well and good but it doesn't change the fact while Calzaghe was at 168lbs he had another champion also fighting out of his backyard who at the time seemed equally as dominant who he never got to fight and also retired undefeated, credit to Joe though once Ottke retired Calzaghe did manage to go on and beat Kessler and unify.

    And as mentioned before same with Jones dominant champion fighting while there was another dominant champion but there was no face off? for whatever reason it didn't happen so it hurts Jones reign of dominance just like it hurts Calzaghe's reign of dominance.

    Hopkins didn't have the same problem and would have probably retired after beating Taylor (possibly Sturm and then Abraham) but he had no idea HBO had their own hypejob who they were planning to launce of his success.
     
  12. Arcane

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    Superman wasn't on roids. Story fail.
     
  13. Arcane

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    That's as presumptuous as me saying Jones wouldn't have been a dominant 175lber if he wasn't roided up and fought DM
     
  14. RobertV77

    RobertV77 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When was Calzaghe's era of dominance? When he is ducking guys in his backyard like Woods? When he is beating 154 pounders like Ashira and the great Pudwell? His entire career is based on two or three fights. Hardly an "era".
     
  15. Imperial1

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    Jones will always be Hopkins daddy and you know it .I mean look how he acted in the rematch when he was totally shot ..Jones didn't need roids to beat Hops he didn't even need 2 hands :hey