Roy Jones Junior : The Greatest Fighter on ability of all-times..!

I thought he was being sarcastic. (??)

 

I agree with this. Floyd's self-propaganda and his zero have many people convinced he is the second coming of Robinson. The fact is he is a quick, defensively skilled counterpuncher who is a great fighter, but at his peak he was not on the same level of effectiveness as Roy Jones. Mayweather lost the first fight with Castillo - who came close to beating prime Roy? Jones had turned the difficult fight with Griffin around and would 100% definitely have stopped Montell, if Montell hadn't been crafty and pretended to be poleaxed by that illegal shot. Mayweather has a high all-round skill level, but he is not and never was a Superman like Jones, whose sheer natural gifts meant he was close to unbeatable at his 1993-1998 peak. Any intelligent aggressive pressure fighter would give Floyd trouble, as the Pretty Boy is not a great combination puncher. Guys like Chavez would always outpoint him.

 

You dont know that for a fact & Mayweather has better boxing skills than Roy.

 

Its pretty likely and no Mayweather does not have better boxing skills than Roy, he has more textbook skills but not better skills. Roy was far harder to hit clean and was far better offensively. Can you tell me what you think Mayweather actually does better than Roy other than turn his back on opponents?

And yes we can be pretty sure Roy shuts out Castillo/Judah/Hatton types given he shut out or ko'd better P4P fighters

Do you think Mayweather could shutout a 135lb version of James Toney? Could he f*ck

 

Boxing is my a passion of mine, no other sport compares to it! However, as talented as Roy Jones was, in terms of natural ability, Ronnie O'Sullivan is the most naturally gifted sportsman out there!

For those who want evidence, just go on youtube & watch his 147 maximum break in the 1997 world championships. He completes the maximum in just over five minutes, which is just fcuking ridiculous!

I'm not so sure Jones, on talent alone is the best ever fighter, but he's without doubt up there! You cannot discount guys like Ray Robinson, Leonard.

 

Very true, I was chatting it up with former ESB poster acb, and he mentioned Jones fight with David Telesco and I told him how Telesco looked like a heavyweight right next to Roy.

 

I don't think a 135lb Montell Griffith would give Floyd as good a fight as he gave Roy. Montell wasn't as good a fighter as J.C. Castillo, but him and Roy were even before the disqualification.

 

No, they weren't actually. Roy was up on two out of three judges scorecards and firmly in control of the bout at the time of the DQ. He was clearly going to stop Montell shortly.

You can argue whether the Griffin who fought Jones & Toney was as good as the Castillo who fought Mayweather all you like, but the fact is JLC beat Floyd the first time (or at least went life & death with him and lost a razor-thin decision depending on your p-o-v) and in the second fight Floyd edged a dull decision. Roy had turned round the first Griffin fight and was on the cusp of a KO win, then blitzed him in the first round of the rematch.

From 1993-2003, Roy Jones was a more effective and impressive fighter than Floyd Mayweather was from 1998-2007. Yes, Floyd was more well-rounded, but that does not mean he was a better fighter. In different ways, guys like Joe Calzaghe, Naseem Hamed, hell even Julio Cesar Chavez and Muhammad Ali were not as well-rounded as other, more orthodox, but essentially inferior fighters. Jones from 94-98 was harder to beat and simply better than peak Floyd.

 

Roy scored a first round KO in the rematch, Floyd ran and potshot to closish decision over Castillo, thats the difference in both fighters. Mayweather had problems with journeyman Augustus

How do you know Griffin wouldnt cause FLoyd problems? He beat Toney twice too whos similar to Floyd

 

Off the subject of Jones for a minute, Bill you seem to have a very high opinion of Floyd's skills, I have noticed you saying so a few times.

I would be interested to know: in how many of Floyd's biggest fights against his most difficult opponents has he consistently proved that he is a top class combination puncher? I would say he doesn't throw many combinations in his big fights, and therefore hasn't proven to be an ATG class combination puncher. Do you take this into consideration when assessing how Floyd would do in hypothetical h2hs?

For instance, do you think pot-shotting off the ropes would get the job done at lightweight against Chavez, when JCC is continually cutting off the ring and backing Floyd up? Or if you do think he would throw sufficient combinations to win that fight, in what fight of Floyd's have you seen evidence to suggest this?

 

RJJ was never better than Floyd. Jones was the most athletically gifted fighter ever in my opinion, but he was never a thinking mans fighter. He made mistakes in the ring, but because of his amazing speed, he was never punished for it. Roy also never fought the best opposition in his prime. He avoided certain fighters who could have tested him.
Floyd dominated beat the best oppositionat 130 and 135. You can say the same about Roy. You can say that Floyd hasn't fought the best opposition at 147, but you can say the same about Roy.
All I know is that Floyd was tested and is a great fighter. He is a much smarter fighter than Roy in my opinion, and he uses his smarts, whereas Roy has used his athletic ability. This is why Floyd is so great. He is small at WW, but his ring intelligence enables him to outthink opponents. Roy, you can't say the same thing. He has no Plan B when he fights.
Yes, RJJ was more flash and more powerful, but better, I don't think so. When it is all said and done, we will both see who comes out on top.

 

Floyd, doesn't throw enough combo's. He did earlier in his career, but this fight against JMM really showed his lack of combination punching. This is one of the reasons JMM laster 12 rounds.

 

Augustus was just as good as Griffin, who was no world-beater and had a bad chin. Name one fighter who didn't have problems with Augustus. He's a good fighter, especially when he's focussed.

I've seen most of RJJ's fight and know what he did to Griffin. Floyd didn't run from Castillo, by the way, and beat him decisively the second time around.

 

I don't understand why Floyd being more well-rounded than Roy means he was necessarily the better fighter, as everyone saying Floyd was better seems to focus on the fact that Roy's ability was founded on his athleticism. So what? Being the better fighter means being the more effective fighter, not being the most well-rounded one. If Roy Jones was dazzling you with punches, would you be standing thinking "bah, he's all athleticism, he doesn't have multi-layered skills"? Nope, you (like Hopkins, Toney, Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin etc) would be in hell. It doesn't matter if Roy Jones could fight on the inside like Roberto Duran one minute then slip punches like Willie Pep the next, the fact is he was so good at what he did do, his opponents could barely win a round for 10 years, 93-03. Stick any well-rounded fighter who fought at 168lbs in with 94-96 Roy, and I guarantee he dazzles them with his speed, power and movement. It won't matter that he doesn't have a plan B, his plan A at that weight looked pretty close to unbeatable.

I agree that he didn't have a great plan B or C in the way that guys like Leonard and Whitaker did, but his plan A was so good that it still means he was better than Floyd, who was not a good enough combination puncher to be on the Leonard or Whitaker level either.

:huh How exactly?

 

I agree. Had Floyd had better combinations, he would have knocked Marquez out, he would have broken Hatton down earlier, he could have won the fight with Oscar more convincingly, etc. But he couldn't/didn't do these things. That's my point.