Roy Jones Junior : The Greatest Fighter on ability of all-times..!

Augustus was as good as Griffin? That's an unjustifiable comment, and you know it. Griffin beat Toney twice and gave RJJ his toughest fight at his peak. Augustus never came close to reaching that level of performance.

Floyd may have won the second fight, but it was not emphatic. You would think he had worked Castillo out from the first fight and would have put him to the sword in the second one in anger that many people thought JLC won the 1st. But Floyd was unable to cast Castillo down. He edged a dull fight. The second fight was not proof of greatness at all, it was a slight improvement against a very good but not great opponent.

 

Was Floyd at 130 as good as Roy at 168? Now that's a good discussion.

 

Floyd still has career defining fights. If he can beat a combination of Pac/Cotto and Mosely, then he will unquestionably be considered the better fighter, having mastered the best at 3 great divisions and there won't be any questions. Roy never truly beat the best at his divisions, McCallum was past it when they fought, so was Reggie Johnson. Guys like Steve Collins, Benn, McClellan, Eubank, etc., these are the guys RJJ should have fought, but the only fight that was made was Tony at the right time.

 

If Floyd can go up to middleweight or super middle and dominate like Jones did against much bigger stronger foes, than he can be mentioned in the same breathe as Jones Jr.

 

Griffin was second rate. Toney is one of the biggest wastes of talent ever. Toney was never motivated at LH, He lost to Drake Thadzi. that should tell you something right there. Besides a weight drained, unmotivate Toney, Griffin was soundly beaten by every good fighter he faced.

Augustus wasn't motivated have the time he fought, but against he best he was very competitive. Only his metal deficiencies and lack of self-esteem held him back.

 

I would say yes. He made very good fighters look ordinary.

 

I'm always more impressed with a Roberto Duran than I ever am with a Roy Jones Jr.

And in regards to the Larry Merchant comment, his comment still remains true even if he was to say it today. Jones was not a Ray Leonard.

 

As I said earlier on this thread, I disagree with your athleticism comment. However, in the same post I said a similar thing at greater length regarding Duran & Leonard.

 

I agree that if Floyd beats Mosley and Pacquiao, he deserves to be ranked above Jones. But right now, he doesn't.

But that is more of a p4p discussion. This thread is about ability, and on ability the 93-03 Jones was more effective than the 98-07/09 Mayweather.

 

At 160, Jones made Hopkins look ordinary. At 168, he did the same with Toney. At 175, he did so with Virgil Hill.

 

To say Toney was a waste of talent is silly. OK, he never achieved what he could have in terms of titles, but he has still had an absurdly long career including some fantastic exhibitions of skill and some strong achievements. I think in fifty years time the middleweight who moved up and went toe-to-toe with natural heavyweights will be spoken of in revered tones.

Toney at lhw was not vintage Toney, that much is true. But Griffin must still have had considerable qualities to get the nod in two fights with such an experienced performer. This was more than Augustus ever achieved, that is beyond doubt.

 

I always take exception to this view, but I can't be bothered going into great detail on why.

In short:

- a fight between Roy Jones and Steve Collins was never viable because Collins did not want any piece of it. He wanted to make money fighting at home against the declining stars Eubank & Benn. He had been beaten when he had fought the best fighters across the pond, and had no interest in going back over for the man who had just shut out James Toney.

- Roy was meant to fight McClennan after Benn, but what happened that night ruled out McClennan and effectively Benn as well. Benn was gone mentally after that, and lost his way.

- Eubank was beaten by Collins in 1995. Why would Roy have fought him after that? Eubank was off the radar.

There are certain fighters Roy could've fought that he didn't (Michalczewski the main one), but this persistent myth about him ducking those four is BS. The fights were never viable.

 

Titles have Eff all to do with it, what it boils down to is Jones actually knows how to throw a proper mans punch, Floyd doesnt, not to mention Jones bag of tricks pisses on Mayweathers

 

Jones is vastly superior to Floyd in terms of offence.

In terms of defence, Floyd has better defensive skills, but I'm not sure that means he has a more effective defence. Although Jones did not have as highly developed rolling techniques, his movement made him very, very hard to hit. You could argue which guy had the better defence, but whichever way you feel about that, the gap in terms of offence is far, far wider.

 

Really?