Roy Jones Junior : The Greatest Fighter on ability of all-times..!

Ditto. Jones's performance against Calzaghe was the performance of a man who had been shot for years. It was a **** fight to watch, partly due to the painful ineptitude of the fossilized remains of Roy Jones and partly due to Calzaghe's clumsy attempts at show-boating.

 

Mayweather seems to be a man on a mission to make as much money as possible. He couldnt care less about enhancing his legacy, so who knows if we'll ever see what Mayweather is really capable of.

 

The only thing that should be said to the thread starter is "get a room". Good Lord.

 

I can't speak for him, but i, too, think Jones showed a very nice effort against Calzaghe. The reason for this is because he showed exactly the things that he was always claimed not to be capable off: he fought on when the chips were down and showed great heart. That cut he had was horrific and bled like crazy. Just google "Jones Calzaghe cut". I thought in a way, Jones redeemed himself, in the sense that he lost in an honorable way. Certainly a change of setting when compared to Tarver II and Johnson. That Tarver KO still looks like one of the most devastating KO's i've seen.. and Lampley's commentating at that moment is great, it adds to the event.

 

thank you, Roy was all flash and no substance, Robinson never alseep at the hands of a mediocre but good champ like Tarver and Ray fought harder punchers and much better fighters.

 

Come on, man. Jones was so good coming out of the amateurs that he could have won the title in his first fight. Hopkins didn't have that kind of experience and was learing on the fly. we all know about Toney, and Hill lost to a past-his-prime blown up Tommy Hearns. Floyd beat Hernandez, prime Corrales, prime Manfredy, J.C. Castillo, etc. Yes he had a hard time with Castillo, but what can you say after that. He learned and adapted just like Jones did against the inferior Griffin.

 

Dude, this arguement will always be relevent because there are so many excuses why Roy didn't fight top fighters. You say fighting these guys aren't viable, but it's viable to fight no-hopers like Tony Thornton, who didn't deserve a title shot at all.
Come on, man. You know that Roy would either price himself out, or say he wouldn't go overseas to fight anybody.
People marvel at behind the back knockdowns, but when you fight inferior ham-n-eggers like Glen Kelly, then that kind of crap is possible.
Roy never challenged himself in his prime and always looked for the lesser of two evils when it was time to fight.

 

Dave Tiberi beat him, and was robbed. Toney is one of my favorite fighters, but yes, he wasted his talents. Toney had massive ability, and he could have had just as good of a career as Jones. I'm not saying Toney is as good as Jones or would have been able to beat Jones, because their styles would prevent that. But Toney was a great fighter and should have been up there with the top. The fact that his conditioning stopped him from being that is sad and inexcusable.

 

Jones doesn't have a bag of tricks. He's just quick. He's happy when he can mug for the crowd and wave and make his opponents look stupid, but when his opponents fight back or are his equal, he struggles and looks befuddled.

 

One thing. Jones is not shot. The Tarver fight showed that Jones is aging, and he just got caught. I think Jones was intimidated by Tarver, who, before the fight, said to Jones what his excuse was gonna be after he lost their second fight.
Mentally, after the second fight, I think he was shot, and it took him a while to get his head right.
Yes, Jones' reflexes are eroding, but he still has that blazing speed. It shows against inferior opponents, but when he goes up against other elite fighters, he goes into a shell when getting hit hard. He's always the fastest fighter, but he doesn't like to get hit back.

 

Listen, those are overstatements.

Roy was incredible but he would have been an INCREDIBLE long shot to win the title straight out of the box in mid-'89. Guys like Mike McCallum, Julian Jackson, and Michael Nunn (among a few others) were there and hardly pushovers.

Don't know how many times I hear ESB people suggesting that Hopkins was some green kid as if he didn't know how to fight in '93. Watched all of his fights from the early 90s and many when they happened. Anyone else should just obtain the vid and see for themselves that there isn't some amazing evolution that occurred in Hop's game. He was tough then and knew exactly what he was doing in the ring. He had already been boxing at Graterford before he turned pro. Hop is a natural fighter and has been doing it his whole life. People make it seem like Bernard went from ****** to ring scientist. That is just not the case.

Another ESB inaccuracy that keeps coming up is regarding Hop's physical prime. Hop was past his physical best at middleweight before he got to Trinidad at almost 37 years of age.

In '93 versus Jones, Bernard was a rising force and a dynamite fighter with extreme toughness. When young talented men fight that is the kind of test that matters. The 24 year old Jones came out on top versus a 28 year old Bernard Hopkins. That is quite an accomplishment. A year and a half later Bernard was the IBF champ and remained so for a decade. Juxtapose that with an ESB fav that only fought BHOP when he was 43 years old and struggled no end. THAT is laughable. Roy's was a very good win.

 

y'all musta forgot.

 

His equal?

Who the heck was prime Jones' equal? And, when did they fight that you saw Roy struggle and look befuddled?

 

Nobody was Roy's equal athletically, but guy like Tarver, Joe C. and Johnson, fought back and made it tough for Roy. Griffin made it tuough for Roy in their first fight. Roy had a difficult time ad******g and handling the pressure.
Obviously Roy was more talented than anyone he's faced. But what you do with that talent makes you more gifted than the other fighter. Guys like Toney were betterl boxers with better instincts than Jones, but RJJ's natural ability is so much better, he doesn't have to as good a boxer, because his unmatched speed can camaflouge his mistakes. Floyd is not as gifted athletically, but his boxing IQ is much greater than Roy,