Roy Jones should rematch Glen Johnson

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by gilad, Apr 22, 2008.


  1. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    If Roy wants to keep on fighting, he should try and beat the only man that he didn't manage to beat in his career- that's what being a champion is all about. Glen Johnson is 40 years old and still Roy doesn't have the guts to call him out.

    I don't wanna see him against Cazaghe, because he always looks like **** against southpaws. Those who think a prime Roy knocks out Calzaghe don't know what the hell they are talking about: he wins an ugly decision, because nobody knocks out a prime Calzaghe at 168, especially not Roy who hates fighting southpaws, and rarely knocks them out. Today it will also be an ugly fight, and Joe will just outwork Roy, it's the worst matchup out there for Jones.

    Besides, I want Calzaghe to fight Pavlik or Tarver. Roy should prove he deserves a title shot, beating Tito at 170 doesn't do it for me.
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones in his prime fought 8 southpaws. He KO'd 6 of them. So your assessment that he rarely KO'd southpaws in his prime is simply not true. In those 8 fights, he won 173 out of 186 rounds on the judges scorecards. So he didn't struggle much either. It's a myth perpetuated by his losses to Tarver.

    http://www.fightnews.com/canobbio10.htm

    If you believe Calzaghe could beat him now, so be it. Won't get an argument from me. If you want to believe Jones couldn't stop Calzaghe in his prime, fine, that's impossible to prove. But the myth that Jones had trouble with southpaws will not be your basis for such an argument.
     
  3. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    :good
     
  4. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    Harding, Del Valle and the first Tarver fight are the worst and ugliest 3 fights in prime Roy's reign and even he admitted after one of his fights that he doesn't like fighting southpaws and that it's hard for him to look good against them. Only southpaws could lay a glove on him in his prime.
    Hopkins is the best fighter in my lifetime against southpaws, he is miles ahead of Roy in that department.
    So in my opinion, If he didn't knock out guys like Reggie Johnson and Lou Del Valle in his prime, forget about him knocking out elite southpaws with very good chins like Tarver, Calzaghe or Winky at 160.
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And you're entitled to your opinion. But what I posted was fact.

    Jones didn't look bad against Harding. Harding looked GOOD. He had just beaten Tarver for that title shot. He was a highly ranked unbeaten fighter. Jones turned around and destroyed Hall right after this, another tall southpaw with power.

    Jones looked worse against McCallum and Griffin than he did against Del Valle and Harding.

    Who cares if Hopkins is ahead of Jones in that department? Is this your way of saying "If Hopkins is better against Southpaws and can't KO Calzaghe, Jones in his prime cannot," ? I hope you aren't comparing the failings of a 43 yr old Hopkins with prime RJJ?
     
  6. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    I respect your opinion. My opinion is that the 43 years old version of Bernard is better than the green version Jones beat (I remind you that one or two fights later he was knocked down twice by a journeyman).

    The Bernard Hopkins of the Glen Johnson and Trinidad fights, from 1997-2001, is the best fighter in the last 20 years. He beats a prime Roy Jones 7-5 and he beats Calzaghe 8-4 or 9-3. Roy jones became the best head to head fighter ever in eastsideboxing only because between 1995-2003 he went for the easy money and avoided all the fighters that had some kind of a chance to beat him (Hopkins, Tarvar, Calzaghe, Dariusz, Jirov). In my opinion, Roy would have beaten by decision most of them (except Hopkins from 1997 and on) , but he didn't try and he can only blame himself.
     
  7. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Bernard wanted 50% and DM and Calzaghe wanted Roy to come to them. All ridiculous demands, IMO, although I would have loved to see him fight Hopkins.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones would always beat Hopkins. And Jones resume is better or equal to that of Hopkins IMO. The people you say he avoided? Only ONE has a decent claim to that and it's DM. And DM wanted Jones to come to him overseas.

    Hopkins turned down the rematch because he wanted equal money with a fighter who already beat him and would be the champion coming into the match. A better case could be made that he avoided Jones.

    Tarver lost to Harding in the title eliminator that got Harding his title shot. Jones never avoided him.

    Calzaghe was not a big name, but wanted to act like one by asking the LHW champion to come to him to defend his titles even though Jones was regarded better. No one who was serious about fighting Jones offered him a fight abroad because everyone knew he wouldn't do it because of the olympic debacle.

    Jirov? He was never even in Jones division. Jones is being accused of avoiding fighters in divisions higher than him now?

    Hopkins BTW, didn't lose for over a decade after fighting Jones. This version of him by most people's accounts is no where near the fighter he was in his prime, and I doubt you will find many who will agree he was as good as he was when Jones beat him.
     
  9. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    50% isn't a ridiculous demand because when Bernard said that he was after his biggest win (against Tito), undisputed middleweight champ (the second most prestigious title in the sport) and he had to move up in weight and fight without a tune up the two weight classes above champ. For that kind of risk he sure as hell desrved 50-50.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why? Jones was the champion, had already beaten him, and was the top fighter in the sport, and also the bigger draw and higher paid fighter. Name one other circumstance where that equation adds up to 50-50.

    Since when does the risk involved get the lesser known fighter extra money?

    It was a ridiculous demand. And why is MW the second most prestigeous?

    BTW, Jones got his reputation on ESB because he destroyed champions. You point out who he didn't fight, but fail to mention who he DID fight.
     
  11. Cormega

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    Deserved has nothing to do with it. Roy was a huge draw at that point and Hopkins never has been.
     
  12. 1lehudson

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    No he didnt deserve to get 50%.

    Thats all:good
     
  13. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    He has some quality wins for sure (Hopkins and especially a pound for pound Toney) and I consider him the second best fighter in the last 20 years but between 1995-2003 he fought mainly has beens, Dariusz leftovers, solid contenders and some bums. he didn't fight a top fighter near his prime for 8 years, between Toney to Tarver. I give him a lot of credit for fighting Griffin and Harding, but in those two real fights he took (1995-2003) he looked like a very good fighter, but human.
     
  14. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Who should he have fought that didn't either price themself out or make the ridiculous demand that he fly over seas to their backyard? I know he did a lot of talking about crazy possible matchups, but come on.
     
  15. gilad

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    Deserve is the word. B-Hop is a much bigger name than Calzaghe in the US but he agreed to give him 50-50 because Joe came to him and moved up in weight. Roy would have made more money against Bernard with a 50-50 split than he would have made against anyone else. He just didn't want the fight. Bernard Hopkins, unlike Roy, didn't duck anybody in his career and the knowledgable fans know that.