Roy Jones that fought Toney vs. Calzaghe that fought Kessler: Who wins?

I was trying to save you from embarrasement from those lads. They are expert analysts that have the ability to pawn lesser posters.
Still you must be drunk because I left you some facts to mull over.
Here they are again

When Jones fought Toney, Jones was in his prime.
When Calzaghe fought Kessler he was past his prime.

Toney was struggling with the SMW weight limit and was dry at the weight and never fought at SMW again.
Kessler was a strong SMW that stayed at the weight.

Kesslers SMW resume going into his fight with Calzaghe was far superior to Toneys SMW resume, and Kessler was a much better SMW than Toney.

That is why I pick Calzaghe.

 

agree on those points but fights are won on style and skills, not resume or one shot head to head fights.

based on the skill sets proven at 168, what advantages those calzaghe have, does jones have and how does it play out?

i could give just as flippant an answer as you and say calzaghe's only strength was his hand speed, which looks like a 4 year old swimming through **** compared to jones but i don't.

 

When they finally fought Calzaghe didnt beat Jones by a quick KO, he did it with skill. Those 4 years old slaps did massive damage to Jones.
Jones was a PEDS cheat and PEDs give an athletic advantage. They take athletes beyond their normal constraints and towards accomplishments we never thought possible. Its not known if what Roy was using was even ripped fuel. That was just what Jones said. Remember Jones was a PEDs cheat, and I dont want to hear the unproven story of ripped fuel. I read an interested report that was posted that said Jones levels were something along the line of 6 times above what they should be, which ripped fuel couldnt do. Alledgedly. I am not an expert, and couldnt truly say, but would point to the S Johnson vs B Schwer fight where Johnson failed the post fight drugs test and claimed to have brought a cough medicine in a shop in England (giving the name) which would have been the cause, only for the product not to even be sold in the UK :-(.

I just cant rate cheats

Look at Jones first fight with M Griffin, Griffin was walking Jones into corners and landing a few shots, Calzaghe was bigger, stronger, faster and in his prime hit alot harder than Griffin. Calzaghe wouldnt have just walked Jones into corners, but would have been unloading fast hard combinations forcing Jones into a shell.
Calzaghe would have won a UD at worst

 

well the first half of your post was irrelevant. i know your feelings on jones "drug" use, let's move on to what we KNOW.

griffin did cause a bit of trouble and was likely on even terms with jones before the DQ but calzaghe fought nothing like him. to say that he would have walked him into corners is laughable, he wasn't a physical or strong fighter. moreover calzaghe had a good chin but was vulnerable to counters, which jones would have use prominently. if calzaghe is going to win it will not be by walking jones down...and jones never went into a shell in his prime more than 2 rounds to destroy brannon (i know brannon was a joke but no one put him in a shell)

 

Griffin was a better fighter than Calzaghe. Joe's defense is too sloppy for him to survive against anyone with speed and pop. He was strong enough to beat 2nd rate fighters and over the hill fighters. His best win was against a 1 2 fighter custom made for an unorthodox guy like Joe. Don't make us laugh by claiming Joe punched harder than anyone.

 

You pick Calslappy because you are a shameless nuthugging super fan with no sense.

 

There is no one in boxing history that I'd pick over Jones at 168, including Calzaghe. It would be a difficult fight for Jones though. Much more difficult than Toney whom I he didn't concede a single round to.

 

Calzaghe win for me, I cant see past the ripped fuel scandal for Jones.

 

A prime version of RJJ, BHOP, & JT ALL DEFINITIVELY KO Joe. Their natural talent and ability are far above Joe's obvious and undeniable athletic limitations.

Only a ****ing non-athletic gimp could believe otherwise.

The man couldn't punch as well nor avoid being hit as well as these fighters. You don't wear the Warren Boxing Organization trinket for almost a decade and then fight two old greats (and get dropped in the process) and convince anyone you could have been competitive.

It is near certainty that ESB's seed money came from Joe's dad and the server is in their basement.

 

Joe all day baby!
Glass chin Roy would of come unstuck against that straight left hand.
No wonder that he fought binmen and police officers most of his career.

First proper fight with a real contender he folded like a deck chair.

46-0 numbers don't lie

Maybe If rjj loaded up on some ripped fuel for about 10years????

 

fair enough but that's hardly an argument

no one has ever posted a decent debate regarding how calzaghe would win. even decent calzaghe fans haven't done any sort of analysis. i'm going to be honest: i've admitted MANY of jones' faults but still fail to see how a second tier, borderline artificial champion like calzaghe would put a dent in his 168 prime.

any arguments to the contrary that resemble intelligent are welcome:good anyone? anyone....:think

 

Doubt it.

 

Ancient Roy Jones dropped calfaggi. Whose chin is worse now?

 

still waiting for any analysis from bailey. i know that 46and0 and headbanger aren't trolls cause i've read decent posts from them (often very good)

bailey is still a joke. read the thread where i admitted jones likely took steroids. or the thread where i said jones took on less than stellar competition. or jones' chin isn't his strongest feature.

i admit jones' faults and put them into context. you offer nothing to this forum but regurgitated opinions without any new information or insight

 

Griffin had a significantly better defence than Calzaghe. Jones had trouble hitting Griffin but he would have a much easier time finding Calzaghe, particularly with the right hand.

Griffin also hit harder and was physically stronger. Montell fought at 178 lbs in the amateurs and had beaten some big boys like Jeremy Williams and John Ruiz.