Roy Jones that fought Toney vs. Calzaghe that fought Kessler: Who wins?

Okay...this thread I am 98% sure is sarcasm. But threads like this are so difficult...I can't tell who is serious and who isn't. I lean toward no one being serious. Huge waste of time trying to figure it out.

 

and yet griffin is used as proof that calzaghe could walk jones down

i don't think bailey has seen either griffin or calzaghe fight

 

Your fan too. :roll: And using drugs only enhances your physical ability, not your skills. And it doesn't help your chin either. And there's also different types of steriods, you can have steriods in your system by eating red meat, you probably didn't know that.

 

I'm with you. It seems like most people are just having a laugh/talking crap most of the time, but it's difficult to tell. These days I would actually lean towards posters of ****ing **** posts being actually serious.

I lost the 'urge' to try to tell years ago.

 

Kesslers resume was far superior than Toney's.:rofl:rofl:rofl

Yeah your definetly related to Calzaghe now from that dumb **** you just said.

And the only facts you presented was jones being in his prime and calzaghe being in his prime in a comparison to the 2 fights they had of the thread title. Other than that, you haven't listed any facts. If you ain't a die hard fan, than i'm a crack, cause i'm not only one who notices it, except you. 46and0 name tells it all, so that was rather easy as well. now the other guys I can discuss with because there not blinded, but not you.

 

C Woods was able to back Jones up and he wasnt as strong or as powerful as Calzaghe, the only thing with Woods is that he didnt know what to do when he had Jones backed up. Calzaghe is a versatile fighter that would have landed several on Jones before either moving out of range or tying Jones up.
Still when they fought Calzaghe did back Jones up

Remember Calzaghe was closer to the end of his career than Jones.
Still lets not forget that Calzaghe wasnt hurt, got up instantly and through the punches (not holding) and was so bothered he dropped his hands inviting Jones in. In 46 fights Calzaghe was barely ever hurt.
If we are looking at those points, look at how badly hurt Jones was by Del Valle atsch, and Calzaghe in his prime hit harder than him

Its above now. You have been given facts previously and an answer.

Seen both fight, but I highly doubt you have seen Calzaghe much before Lacy

Its not the only facts, look back through the pages before being so ignorant.

Thats right Fanibush81, Kessler has a FAR superior resume at SMW to Toney and if you knew the fighters they had faced, you would know that also

 

not a bad argument but you're presenting things as facts that simply aren't and not including the context of the situation. for instance, NOTHING that happened in the jones/calzaghe fight is relevant in the least. the notion that calzaghe was more worn and more shot than jones is preposterous.

before the lacy fight, i'd seen almost no calzaghe. subsequently i've gone back and watched and while i don't like his style, i respect his talent immensely. i have no argument there

he wasn't hurt against lou de valle, his knockdown is identical to calzaghe's knockdown against jones: flash.

toney didn't have the resume kessler did. disregard talent, kessler was rated #2 smv behind calzaghe and wins against mundine, andrade and beyer are better than the SD and close calls toney received. toney is better than kessler, but his resume isn't and the toney that fought jones was definitely not peak

 

I usually just skip over Beetle Baily's hyperbole filled post's, He is obviously such a huge fan he truly believes the nonsense coming out of his mouth. It is impossible to debate with someone so passionate armed with so little logic or knowledge. prime Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, and James Toney school, beat up and defeat prime Calzaghe, no doubt. The only way Calzaghe wins is if the fight is in Wales and using the same judges we see in the earlier clips, which is exactly why Calzaghe refused to leave England to fight the best in their primes.

 

No, there is zero chance of him winning if a prime version RJJ, BHOP, or JT is the ring. They would all find him too easy to catch cleanly - he simply doesn't have the talent or attribute set that would enable him to avoid being hit or to be able to see the punches coming. All three would win by KO. It would have meant a much shorter career for him. Joe was pristine at the end solely because of the lousy athletes he fought. He was a good fighter never an ATG. Not even close.

He could have had his family as the judges and the fight in his living room and it would not have made any difference - judges only matter when it goes to the cards.

Sadly, Joe receives some kind of fanatical "Marciano" effect (which was pretty strong in the mid-60s in the US as anyone with some years can attest) on ESB due to some severe athletic inferiority complexes that motivates a few kids to overrate Joe to excess. It is the only explanation that fits the fervent desire to raise him to a level not supported by what was seen in watching his entire career as it happened. Good fighter, okay athlete, not even close to being the complete product of exceptional athleticism with great talent.

 

You have been schooled by me on so many occassions that you really dont want to be made to look stupid again now do you?
You have already come out with the first mistake as it is no secret that Hopkins backed out of facing Calzaghe years back and Jones had no interest in him then (understandably). Also Calzaghe fought away more times than those fighters you mention .
You know this to. You make out im in denial when you refuse to accept that Hopkins backed away from fighting Calzaghe in America years ago atsch.
Heres another fault to what you wrote, that really shows you dont know the facts. Toney was fighting at CW before Calzaghe had even won his first SMW title, so when was that fight supposed to happen?

Consider some facts first
When Jones fought Toney, Jones was in his prime.
When Calzaghe fought Kessler he was past his prime.

Toney was struggling with the SMW weight limit and was dry at the weight and never fought at SMW again.
Kessler was a strong SMW that stayed at the weight.

Kesslers SMW resume going into his fight with Calzaghe was far superior to Toneys SMW resume, and Kessler was a much better SMW than Toney.

That is why I pick Calzaghe.

There are more points but this was the first part. Anyway lets read your joke, when you have typed it