How abot this? Cerebral v Physical...can Tunney close the gap in physicality with tactical acumen? Who wins and why?
IMO , Tunney was and is still the greater 175 pounder, of the very very best in history at that weight, but its just the same thing again, Jones was amazing h2h in his prime. Still, i dunno here, Tunney was tough and clever, tougher than Jones imo, but i still lean towards Jones
Roy wasn't at 175 in his prime, though, in my opinion. I don't know... Neither Glen Johnson nor Tarver are extremely hard punchers. Especially Johnson. He landed clean on Jones but christ... The guy is feather fisted.
Does he hit harder ? Could he drop Dempsey? 68 decision fights 50 stoppages .At LH Tunney could hit allright.
I don't think that he drops Dempsey, no, but because of his style rather than anything else. I think he absolutley has the power to do it. I don't dispute that Tunney could hit a bit.
I may be guilty of severely underrating Tunney here...but Roy, in his prime was incredibly fast...IMO he would have presented Tunney with the fastest, and one of the most unorthadox opponents he ever encountered at light heavy. Jones by SD
:nut He almost certainly doesnt hit harder. Tunney will land his jabe and straight right at range and JOnes, despite his freakish speed, will have trouble getting in close and landing. When Jones gets in close, he will be smothered. Even if Jones does land regularly, Tunney can fight when hurt and he knows to move around the ring or clinch. If Jones wants to win, he will do so only after taking huge punishment, because Tunney's chin is rock solid and i cant see Jones stopping him. This would be a good fight, but i think eventually, particularly as the fight wears on, Tunney will catch up to Roy Jones and knock him out. Tunney was particularly adept at setting a trap and landing. I would not be surprised if the end to this fight came suddenly and brutally, possibly even with Jones slightly ahead on points.
I think in his prime Jones would present anyone near his weight class with terrific problems ,I certainly dont underestimate him,but neither do I Tunney.
Why do you think the superfast counter-punching Jones would hav to take "massive punishment" to win in a fight where very little exchanges seem to be occuring? How can Jones expect to be severely punished, find it difficult to get close, get smothered at close range AND be ahead on points when he gets KO'd?
Jones' speed of hand and sharp retreats would give Gene plenty to figure out, but it would not be enough to see him through 15 rounds (the compensated distance). Tunney could force the fight almost as well as he could play matador. At 175lbs, Tunney was as solid as a light heavyweight got; durable, strong, quick and very adaptable, which is what would eat away at Jones' zippy panache. Tunney would not be overawed by Jones' speed (as most Jones victims were), he would let things breath early on and peel away the layers as the rounds went by. Gene would keep it simple; a straight left, a well timed cross, jabbing to the body - with his strength, speed and boxing brain, he would begin to corner Jones on his conventional mistakes that his lesser opponents were never quite able to do. He would set a pace and derail the Jones juggernaut by fighting his own fight rather than waiting for Jones to pop n’ hop out of punching range. Tunney would have to take a big bite, but it would not be too much for him to chew. Jones' ability to dazzle will only work for so long against a fighter as complete and commanding as Tunney. Jones would either be stopped when the fight hit double figures or finish the 15 rounds having been overpowered and out-quaffed. Tunney would grind him down and out of the fight.
Tunney was owned from distance by green non-prime Loughran. He was outboxed by non-prime Jimmy Delaney as well. It's absolutely foolish to think Tunney will have advantage from a distance, because he didn't have it against good boxers.