Roy Jones v linear heavyweight champions

John Sullivan (Jones by KO)

James Corbett (Jones by KO)

Bob Fitzsimmons (Jones by KO)

James Jeffries (Jones by KO)

Marvin Hart (Jones by KO)

Tommy Burns (Jones by KO)

Jack Johnson (Jones by wide UD)

Jess Willard (Jones by KO)

Jack Dempsey (Jones by UD)

Gene Tunney (Jones by UD)

Max Schmeling (Jones by UD)

Jack Sharkey (Jones by KO)

Primo Carnera (Jones by UD)

Max Baer (Jones by UD or Baer by KO)

Jim Braddock (Jones by KO)

Joe Louis (Jones by UD or Louis by KO)

Ezzard Charles (Jones by UD)

Jersey Joe Walcott (Jones by UD)

Rocky Marciano (Jones by UD)

Floyd Patterson (Patterson by KO)

Ingemar Johanson (Jones by UD or Johanson by KO)

Sonny Liston (Liston by KO)

Muhammad Ali (Ali by KO)

Joe Frazier (Frazier by KO)

George Foreman (Foreman by KO)

 

I havent seen footage of you either, but with a few first hand reports, i reckon i could make a pretty good prediction about your chances against John L or Roy Jones. Who knows, technically you might be as sound or better than John L, Fitz or even Roy Jones, but i get the feeling comparing legacies might give us a better indication than purely guessing off the film, dont you? Film always helps, of course, but if it was simply as easy as looking at film and knowing who was the better fighter, we would hardly have a need for bookies, would we? The only thing film really can tell us about Jones and John L, is that Jones is lightning fast (not sure how fast john L was but it is hard to believe him being as quick Roy) and Roy doesnt hit as hard as John L (havent seen Roy knock any on of any level out cold like John L was reported to have done regularly). It probably also shows that Roy's chin was dentable although in fairness Roy was older by this time.

Where is the back hand, i wouldnt mind looking at that. I wonder if it was a variation of the corkscrew punch, which isnt used nowadays. Not because it is ineffective, but because it is outlawed. To be honest, Fitz v Corbett is great to look at, but it shows virtually nothing because the quality is so bad. Looking at those two on film, you would probably back Roy to beat Corbett in a foot race based on Jim's herky jerky running style, but that isnt the way he really ran was it?

Incidentally, where did i say that Jones wouldnt give all of those guys hell. He is a dangerous challenger for any fighter, although his suspect chin at heavyweight must be held against him in any fight.

 

and yet oldest old george beat briggs in everyones eyes but three judges and some goofs in brookyln....having said that..styles do make fights...i dont see Jones beating the hungry old school fighters..but Tommy burns and marvin heart he would take...

 

your list is a bunch of ****.

but i got to respect the effort you put into it.

 

Well, thank you.

 

Respect for effort? Is that like a nice try sticker on sports day?

 

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Really depends on the rule set I can' see Jones doing too well in finish fights but in 12 rounder's he could beat a lot. Maybe even a few shocks here and there .

 

Roy gets KO'd by Patterson.

 

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:deal Much better.

 

This is one of those cases, IMO, where television does a disservice. I think Bob Arum once said, when asked why he signed the light flyweight Michael Carbajal, that in ring, all the fighters look the same size on television.

People look at Jones at his best, and they look at fighters throughout history, and they figure Jones' speed wins most of those fights.

But I've stood next to Jones and other heavyweight champions, and Jones, in person, is TINY. His head is very small. His frame is small. There's nothing that says "heavyweight" about him.

George Foreman's fist is the same size as Roy Jones' head.

Other than Jim Braddock, Jack Sharkey and maybe Ezzard Charles (who was basically a light heavy), I'd make every heavyweight champion from Jack Johnson on a favorite to beat Jones when they were champions. They might not all win, but I'd make them all favorites.

Tommy Loughran was one of the best light heavyweight champions ever, and he lost to one of the worst heavyweight champs (Carnera) because Primo was too damn big.

Jones would likely whip Braddock. And Jack Sharkey was beaten by or drew with smaller guys.

But the rest beat up Roy Jones.

 

go and kill yourself stupid troll

 

+1

 

Yeah me too!