Roy Jones vs. a prime Carlos Monzon at MW

Why would that be, given that Roy is the only one of the two that has shown questionable toughness/resilience in his career?

How is he "bigger" if they're fighting at 160?

Who did Roy ever outmuscle at 160?

 

1. He didnt lose for 12years after Roy and drew and knocked out Mercado, Monzon has plenty of draws himself, who knows how good Mercado would have been?

2. Bullied? I think not but they were. RJJ was a physical beast at this weight,

3. Hopkins is a great, better than any Monzon opponent, that maybe took 3rounds at best.

Tate was 29-2 and went 12 with Julian Jackson, Jones blasted him in 2. There are countless opponents Jones stopped that the contempory biggest punchers of his time couldnt put away.

All these points are largely irrelevant to the fact that Jones boxing ability is above Monzons, his speed is another dimension to Monzon, he would easily outland Monzon and Monzon wouldnt be able to land himself. Jones has the ability to hit Monzon with more clean power punches than Monzon has ever taken in his career and yes Jones has the power to hurt Monzon

 

Firstly drop the condescending attitude, I've seen plenty of Monzon to pass judgement, you can't dispute the weaknesses I bring up about it. I never brought up Jones knocking out Devalle with his hands behind his back so don't address that point to me.

I brought up the basketball match to prove something, Jones had stamina in abudance, the most ignorant assumption on here is 15round era boxers would automatically be better than 12round era boxers over 15rounds, not if the 12round boxer has better stamina and has been kicking their ass for the duration of the fight they wont

And those none threats Jones fought were still top10 ranked boxers werent they?

Simple thing is Jones is unlike anyone Monzon has ever faced, a complete different boxing beast, Jones would be landing his best shots and hitting without being hit. If you think 'being strong' 'making it a rought fight' are going to affect this than you don't know boxing.

 

Monzon may very well have been outboxed and even hurt at times against a middleweight Jones, but he was far cagier than ANYONE Jones ever fought, including a green Hopkins or Toney. He would have done what he did so well, and thats to tie up and shut Jones gradually, and wear him down. Monzons right would find Jone's chin by round 14 and Jones, as we know, never had a sturdy set of whiskers. No one was fast enough or had enough pop to exploit Jone's chin, but Monzon would have. Jones would have either been stopped in 14 or 15, or would have made it to the final bell only to lose a decision. Monzon was a great fighter, and greater than anyone Jones ever fought.

 

I sure don't like the Jones habit/hand placement of dangling his left hand at his kneecap against this guy for an entire fight. Or a Ray Robinson either for that matter. That type of defense and hand placement is fine against 2nd tier opposition but not against the elites. Jones hardly had A+ results whenever he did face top opposition and just where are the ko's in those bouts anyway?

 

I'm aware as everyone is, that Tarver and Johnson found Jone's chin...I'm of course referring to when he was a middleweight. Monzon was a proven master of navigating the 15 round distance, and Jones never fought 15...Monzon would have closed the gap with Jones in those deep sea waters of rounds 13 thru 15.

 

But you know this fight has no chance to ever come off so of course you're confident. Fact is, I never saw anyone come close to figuring the style of Jones by boxing him. Boxing him just makes things worse for yourself. You got to take it too him like Griffin or Tarver. And Monzon with his skinny legs and arms just wasnt built for that. this is common sense! This is a styles fight in which Monzon loses every time

 

You are correct in seeing a condescending attitude. I reserve the right to attack juvenile arguments in such a way. It's called quality control.

Guys who fought 15 rounds regularly can be assumed to have an advantage over guys who never went beyond 12. If you don't see that, then I can't help you. Monzon used to smoke and barely train and still managed to go 15 without a problem. The guy was a physical phenomenon -although not in the same way as Jones.

Jones fought plenty of non-threats who were ranked. So? How blind has this adoration made you?

You have a nice time indulging in your fantasy that Jones would be kicking Monzon's ass and hitting without being hit. Say hello to the pink elephants.

 

Are you talking about Reggie Johnson back when Jones was in the midst of his peak? Reggie was childsplay for Roy. Another cutie southpaw trying to outslick RJ. And going 15 is no miraculous feat for world class fighters. You act like Roy never went past 4 rounds. Since Roy would be dishing out 99% of the punishment, it would be Monzon struggling to last out the distance.

I like the hare in all these hare vs. tortoise matchups

 

Face facts McGrain, he's outgunned in this one. he doesnt have the tools to cope with him from the outside where Roy would kill him and on the inside, how is Carlos going to handle someone that can deliver 6 left hooks within a second? I've seen him do it.

In my opinion I see Roy droping him with those pin point one twos to the chin. He may even stop him with one of his lethal body shots. I just dont see any concievable way for Monzon to deal with someone far faster and that is sharper and more dangerous.

 

Lets compare resumes:

Leonard: Hagler, Hearns (twice), Duran (3times), Benitez, Kalule,
Jones: Toney, Hopkins, McCallum (past prime), Virgil Hill (past prime), Tarver, Ruiz
Monzon: Benvenuti (x2), Griffith (twice past prime smaller), Napoles (ex-lightweight past prime) , Valdez (x2), Briscoe

Monzon's resume isn't as good imo when we compare top wins (at least not as good as Rays) and doesn't have a great at their prime weight, the other 2 do.

 

You got to be kidding! You have to be saying this out of admiration because i cant think of any other reason.

Monzon moves in slow motion compared with Jones so you can forget about landing with accuracy and will in fact be the one catching. because like i said, when it comes to boxing, Roy will beat him to it every time. In half the time it take for Monzon to uncoil his paw of a left jab, Roy will step in and deliver a stacatto of hooks. Like I told you, he is a finesse fighter. You want to learn how to box, study Monzon or Pernell.

But Roy is unique throughout all of history. There has never been anyone like him ever. You cant go in there and try to box him or methodically break him down. You must kill the man or knock him out cold and in order to do that you must contiually push the fight until you get it.

Griffin had some success but he started to wear out and as soon as he began slowing, Roy was quick to take over. I still give Roy and A+ for that performance because of how well take the play away from Montell

Roy is very underrated in the delivery department and let's face it, he isnt very well liked here. I seen people how they mention Pernell as fighter of the 90s but in 1999 in the Ring magazine fan poll, it was Roy according to the fans that excelled in nearly every department.