Roy Jones vs. a prime Carlos Monzon at MW

...and he wasn't considered great yet either, at the time he had those draws.

Anyone who watched his career unfold. And the answer is, not much.

No, they weren't. Roy was clearly bulled around on the inside when they went to clinches.

Key word there is is. At the time he fought Roy, he was not considered great yet. He was still only on the way up and at least a couple years shy of his prime, like Roy was.

No, he took at least 4.

You could've said the same about Benvenuti compared to Monzon, but yet it was Benvenuti who could barely land on Monzon while Monzon teed off on him.

No he doesn't, because Monzon is a far better technician and was great at shutting down speed, while Jones has plenty of holes in his own technique for Monzon to exploit.

 

But he's got to close the distance to do it. How come I dont see Roy buckle with either James Toney or X?

I been reading all the responses, most of them hoping against hope that Monzon is going to walk thru Roy the way Ray Leonard was just going to walk thru Terry Norris.

I see someone here pulling out the old line

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. That didnt work. And if anything, ROy is stronger than Monzon. YOu cant just tell me that Roy's muscles are all for show

Then someone say Roy can't possibly last all 15.

Then someone else say Monzon's rabbit punching tactics will SOMEHOW over the course of 15 will wear him down all the while forgetting what Roy's shots are going to do to him.

Next we see Monzon was great at shutting down speed. In what fight? WHo did he meet that compares with Roy?

Monzon dont even have an inside game. You cant box him and all Monzon knows is how to box and finesse. He's going to run into right hands to the head and left hooks to the ribs, that's what's going to happen the whole night. When Monzon try to counter, Roy will be out of range and hit him from the blind side. That is how the entire fight will go. Believe me, I know.

It's about styles like they say. You cant expect Monzon to be the type to initiate chest to chest warfare. Give me someone like Hagler, who I've seen do it sucessfully or Cerdan or Walker, guys who excel at trench warfare but nobody's beating Roy by boxing

 

But who ever neutralized Jones speed and won against him?....Nobody did, I can understand you saying that if it had been done to Jones before but it never did.

 

And you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

 

**** this... I said Jones by decision before but I'm starting to second guess myself looking at some of the great arguments made in this thread. It's just as easy to say that we don't know how Monzon's strengths would play out against an immense athletic talent such as Jones as it is to say that we don't know how Roy would deal with the precision and pressure of a ring general like Monzon. Carlos truly was an iceman in (and out of) the ring and would not be afraid to press Jones harder than any man before him has. The problem with Roy and matching him up against ATGs is that (unlike with a flawed athlete like Ali) we don't know how he'd deal with being pushed to the limit and being forced to the brink of defeat by a truly formidable opponent such as Monzon. Would he adapt, grit his teeth, and storm back for the win? We don't know because he never did (and never really had to in his prime). It's this same factor which limits guys like Tyson in these hypothetical matchups.

 

Monzon UD12.

 

a draw!

 

Who did Monzon fail to nuetralise their speed.

 

Prime for prime at middleweight, Monzon beats Jones over fifteen rounds I'd say 9-6 or 10-5. Monzon was one of the best at neutralizing speed and tying up the opponents arms coming in. Proper clinching and countering legally is a lost art that Monzon certainly used effectively.

 

Jones is on a whole nother level of speed, that Monzon had never dealt with before....Plus Jones throws punches from any angle he wants to at any time he wants

 

Damn what a close poll.