Roy Jones vs Billy Conn (resume and p4p standing)

To aid comparison I have broken down Billy Conn’s resume, in terms of the key opponents he beat in chronological order, and the weight class he fought them in. Most of the early fights that I have listed as being at light heavyweight, were catchweight fights.

Middleweight

Fritzie Zivic
Young Corbett III

Light Heavyweight

Babe Risko
Vince Dundee
Oscar Rankins
Teddy Yaroz
Young Corbett III
Solly Kreiger
Fred Apostoli
Melio Bettina
Gus Lesnevich

Heavyweight

Gus Dorazio
Bob Pastor
Al McCoy
Lee Savold
Gunnar Barlund
Buddy Knox
Tony Zale

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he may have the better wins but Roy has by far the greater ability. Faster, more agile, and perhaps the greatest body puncher ever. I dont see who Conn can even compete with someone who is so much faster and when it comes to boxer vs boxer, the faster man wins.

 

Hi Rooster. I have to take you to task on this one. What exactly are you basing this on?

 

single best body shot i've ever seen MAY be the hill knockout

otherwise, roy was a headhunter

 

i may be one of roy jones' most vocal fans on the classic...put in that perspective his resume is nowhere near conn's. nowhere near.

talent is another story but on the basis of ledger's conn's is light years ahead

 

I might be off, but in my notes, I've got 19 victories over 19 former/future/current champs, counting Ring/Linear/WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. Only a couple WBO-only guys in there, if it ruffles panties. In chronological order (sometimes not specifying titles, if there were more than one or I was lazy), date fought next to name, year or full dates of reign underneath name:

1. Jorge Vaca - 1992-01-10

WBC Welterweight Champion
1987 Oct 28 – 1988 Mar 29

2. Jorge Fernando Castro - 1992-06-30

WBA Middleweight Champion
1994 Aug 12 – 1995 Dec 19

3. Bernard Hopkins - 1993-05-22

Middlweight Champion, 1995-2005
Light Heavyweight Champion, 2006-2008/2011

4. Thulani Malinga - 1993-08-14
WBC Super Middleweight Champion
1996 Mar 2 – 1996 Jul 6
WBC Super Middleweight Champion
1997 Dec 19 – 1998 Mar 27

5. James Toney - 1994-11-18
Middleweight Champion - 1991-1993
Super Middleweight Champion - 1993-1994
Cruiserweight Champion - 2003

6. Vinny Pazienza - 1995-06-24
Lightweight Champion - 1987-1988
Light Middleweight Champion - 1991-1992

7. Eric Lucas - 1996-06-15
WBC Super Middleweight Champion
2001 Jul 10 – 2003 Apr 5

8. Mike McCallum - 1996-11-22

Light Middleweight Champion - 1984-1987
Middleweight Champion - 1989-1991
Light Heavyweight Champion - 1994-1995
IBHOF/WBHOF Member


9. Montell Griffin - 1997-08-07
WBC Light Heavyweight Champion
1997 Mar 21 – 1997 Aug 7

10. Virgil Hill - 1998-04-25
Light Heavyweight Champion - 1987-1991/1992-1997
Cruiserweight Champion - 2000-2002/2006-2007

11. Lou Del Valle - 1998-07-18
WBA Light Heavyweight Champion
1997 Sep 20 – 1998 Jul 18

12. Otis Grant - 1998-11-14
WBO Middleweight Champion
1997 Dec 13 – 1998
Vacated

13. Reggie Johnson - 1999-06-05
WBA Middleweight Champion
1992 Apr 22 – 1993 Oct 1

IBF Light Heavyweight Champion
1998 Feb 6 – 1999 Jun 5

14. Julio Cesar Gonzalez - 2001-07-28
WBO Light Heavyweight Champion
2003 Oct 18 – 2004 Jan 17

15. Clinton Woods - 2002-09-07
IBF Light Heavyweight Champion
2005 Mar 4 – 2008 Apr 12

16. John Ruiz - 2003-03-01
WBA Heavyweight Champion - 2001-2003/2004-2005

17. Antonio Tarver - 2003-11-08
Light Heavyweight Champion: 2003/2004/2005-2006/2008

18. Felix Trinidad - 2008-01-19
Welterweight Champion: 1993-2000
Light Middleweight Champion: 2000-2001
Middleweight Champion: 2001

19. Jeff Lacy - 2009-08-15
IBF Super Middleweight Champion
2004 Oct 2 – 2006 Mar 4

Preemptive summaries=win.

 

Yea the LMW Burley in the ring who got dominated by green versions of Charles/Bivins beats a Jones who had every single advantage over Burley bar none

I'd pick Jones to box smarter than Conn and pull out the UD against plod plod Louis too

Oh look, you actually agree and are just trolling

The bottom line is Conn's LHW reign isn't that great or proven and he hasn't beat anyone as good as Toney, Hopkins or Reggie J for that matter. Partly due to the war, partly because he was happy to cash out on being ko'd against Louis. But he still wasn't that proven and his wins resume doesn't rate that highly. Yes he fought the best single name in boxing, but so did Ricky Hatton, he got ko'd twice too and didn't fight the best contenders at 140 after becoming champion.

Anyway......Eubank has gone on record as saying he in no way wanted the fight and you yourself have posted up evidence of Jones trying to make Benn fight. Hopkins wouldn't get in the ring with Jones who stood him on his head with 1 broken hand. Should Jones have rematched Toney after Griffin beat him twice or after he lost to that journeyman? When was he supposed to rematch Toney exactly and how much were people demanding that 1? If he won those fights he would have got a rematch. Hopkins ducked a massive undeserved 40% of a PPV to make 100k or something like that, he also ducked a shot Jones in 08, Hopkins also ducked career high money to face Calzaghe in 03

Reggie Johnson was arguably better and more accomplished than Benn, Eubank or DM. Malinga beat Benn twice (first fight a robbery win for Benn) and took Eubank to a controversial decision (didn't see it, some had it to Malinga though). Gonzalez beat DM and DM went life and death with Hall, DM avoided most the best LHWs after he beat Hill. Harding and Tarver were seen as the most promising LHWs

Lazy analysis McGrain, did you only start following boxing in '04?

 

'something like 22'.....I'll take your word for the 19 though :good

 

You're welcome.

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You moved to Florida now, keep up BE. I hope that was a copy and paste and you didn't look that up for me btw

 

Doooooon't fokin' flatter yourself, mate. I had that in my p4p list notes.
I'm hoping to make it to France, shortly before the Volo/JMM fight. That's the real JMM! :fire

 

Check out the Otis Grant fight. Roy was the complete package

 

So the Hill and Otis Grant wins make Roy "perhaps the greatest body puncher ever" in your opinion?

 

Teddy Yarosz, Fred Apostoli and Melio Bettina can't hold a candle to Reggie Johnson? Sure you wanna stand by that statement?

 

Throw resumes and boxing folklore out the window for a moment and actually watch all these men boxing. Reggie J would beat Yarosz/Bettina comfortably unless he was robbed like he often was (I'm guessing your playing boxrec warrior - watch the actual fights and watch Reggie get robbed), Apostoli would give him a better fight but yes I'd pick Reggie

Have you actually watched Jones fights? Serious question how many have you seen? Because he ripped the body in plenty of fights and the body attacks were brutal

You hurt my feelings BE, I thought we were cool man. Serious question though are you actually originally Russian or was that an inside joke?