Roy Jones vs Billy Conn (resume and p4p standing)

bb, i'm afraid i have to disagree. lewis got the fight because, as you noted, louis was his friend and gave him a payday. there's a reason it was his last fight: he was finished

 

J, he was not finished as a fighter ,because of his age [25],or he was losing fights [6 wins in a row]. He had to stop fighting because the Boxing commission told him he COULD lose his eyesight in the near future. As a young boy I lived next door to a trainer of John Henry Lewis..I never saw him,but I used to spar with his stablemates. My dad was told then that Lewis was still a top fighter but his eyes were a problem. As luck would have it my dad lost the sight of one eye due to an accident. But the 25 year old JH Lewis ,was still a top LH. And this 1939 version of Joe Louis
would have gone through the 25 pound smaller Roy Jones, like a hot knife through butter...:hi:

 

no doubt that jones would have lost but after nearly 120 fights, i doubt lewis was the same man. ESPECIALLY at that age, where his fight schedule sure took it's toll. much like ike williams, it probably just caught up with him.

 

J,as I posted ,anyone that can beat jock McAvoy, Len Harvey,former champ Bob Olin [beat Maxie Rosenbloom],and the real good Al Gainer, HAS to still be a formidable fighter as JH Lewis was just 3 months later,when he met
the great Joe Louis. In 3 short months did John Henry at the age of 25
become a stiff ? No sir, it was the amazing young prime Joe Louis that was the scourge of boxing in 1939,that flattened Lewis in the very first round... Louis was described at the time as a "coil spring unwinding ". Give the Brown Bomber his due credit for koing Lewis for the FIRST time in the FIRST round...Cheers.

 

Okay, but my question was if you think he would do as well as Conn until losing? I can´t see it to be honest.

 

Nor can I. He lacked Conn's durability and overall toughness. When Louis tagged Conn (and despite the myths to the contrary, he DID tag Conn hard several times throughout their bout) Billy took it. When Louis tags Jones(and with his fast fists he WOULD) I cannot see Roy taking it.

 

Conn struggled a lot and was seriously lacking in ring generalship department.

 

Exactly, Jones will be able to land his stuff on Louis and fast enough to avoid Louis´ punches. For a while. But neither hits he hard enough to somehow trouble Louis nor will he be able to not get tagged with something serious for more than a handful of rounds. And once he does he will hurt Jones and Roy won´t survive one of the best finishers and punchers of any division who smelled blood. No way.

 

Usually when discussing a fighter's merits we spend more time discussing the positives of his career.

If you think his main positive was in a losing effort than you are either inflating that losing effort, undermining his many winning efforts or coming at this from a point of view I can't comprehend.

For me it's simple. The guy cleaned out his division in impressive fashion in a short space of time. It is this which should be applauded.

 

There's every chance that jones could fight on the outside successfully using the conn strategy but, like conn, it would only work for a limited amount of time.

Once louis had jones figured he'd mow him down much like the louis-conn rematch.

To be totally honest, jones v louis as a fantasy fight is a mismatch.

 

Luf,it is important when evaluating a fighter and his performance to take in consideration
who his opponent was. In baseball a ballplayer who goes 1-4 against a Sandy Koufax, is
more understandable than if he is shutout against a journeyman pitcher. The analogy also applies to a 169 Billy Conn taking many hard blows from a 200 pound alltime powerful puncher in Joe Louis, absorbing those blows, and outpunching Louis most of the way til that fateful 13th round. Billy Conn ,under his handsome visage was a very very rugged individual,who went to war as a 17 year old kid sans an amateur career, fought
ex champs and aside from his 5th prelim fight as a kid was NEVER stopped ,other than by the great much bigger Joe Louis...To fight the greatest combination puncher EVER
on even terms, spotting Louis THIRTY pounds, is a feather in Billy Conn's legacy, though he eventually lost. Name me one 169 pounder ,who would have accomplished such a feat
that "sweet William" did ?.NONE...Take care...

 

Conn lasted as long as louis allowed him to.

Louis is the goat when it comes to breaking fighters down and this is one of his better examples.

All that aside I prefer to remember what conn did achieve and those fights he did win.

You might see him as a loser burt, but to me he'll be remembered as a winner...CHEERS :hi:

 

I don't understand what the point of the question is though.

Probably not, I reckon Louis would ko Jones earlier than the 13th round.

 

What´s so hard to undestand about that? :huh

Thanks anyway.

 

i'd be curious to see where people have conn all time...haven't seen a lot of posts on that