Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

It's where black people take their wifeys on high class dates. Not for me thnx.

 

I's a peice of BBQ'd chicken with shop purchased sauce over it at an extortionate price.

KFC is more than half the price and at least they can keep their seven herbs and spices confidential so you can't knock it up at home.

Or you can be an even tighter **** and get a chicken burger meal and 4 hot wings - £2.99 Favourite chicken, Tottenham Lane, Hornsey, London N8.

 

Fair enough, part of it is that it's not that bad for you if you don't have the fries, I love KFC but if I had that stuff too often I'd be a fat piece of ****. Don't even go to Nandos that much but I don't feel like I've had my body weight in oil after I've eaten it

 

Oh, and on topic, RRJ by fairly wide decision. After taking a few rounds to get used to Calzaghe's activity he'll take over and pick him apart.

 

Objectively you are funny if you compare Calzaghe to Roy Jones Jr.

 

**** that. I can't put on weight, none. Thought it was the same for most teenagers like, I'm making the most of it before I turn into a fat **** at 20.

 

Nah, I'm quite careful what i eat and still look like Tyson Fury :-(

 

I will be the first (maybe the second in this thread) to admit I never truly absorbed what Joe Calz had to offer to the boxing world. I've actually been able to put him into proper perspective and acknowledge the fact that he was one of the greatest super middles to grace the squared ring. That being said RJJ was in a class of his own in his prime and even though I feel he was flawed technically and foundationally there is now way I can convince myself that Calz would walk away with a win. I don't understand why Claz closest followers refuse to accept this. The same followers have told me he was also the greatest light heavy.....can you even phatom the thought of him fighting the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie More, Sam Langford even Spinks. I alsmost **** my trousers when I heard one guy say he would toy with Bob Foster....those volume punches would hold well but once Bob landed (and he would land for sure, if Hopkins right hand lands and buzzes Calz I'm almost certain Bob puts him out) Styles make fights and I can see Calz winning fights against the Virgil Hill's and Willie Pastrano's at light heavy maybe even Saad Muhammad.

 

and still not one roy jones fanboy hasn't spoken about anabolic steroids, its quite possibly the most taboo subject in boxing history, fanboys would rather sweep it under the carpet than acknowledge the reality of it and the consequences of PED's.

 

Roids or no Roids he does not beat rjj and I'm no rjj fan. But again we r all entitled to our own opinions whatever makes you sleep better at night. Nuff respect for calz but the majority of his fans are quite irrational.

 

Yeah of course, it's probably Roy's second best win (after Toney). The point I was making though, was that Hopkins was a nobody at the time. No-one was saying, 'Bernard Hopkins is a real prospect, he's going to become of the greatest middleweights ever'. It's a good win because of what Hopkins went onto achieve, not because of what he'd achieved up to that point.

Mike was at his best in the mid and late 80's, fighting at LMW and MW. In 97 he was fighting at CW, Mccallum started his career at WW in the early 80's. I didn't think he gave Toney a close fight, and if he did it was because Toney was horribly out of shape and fighting at a weight he had no business at atsch

Roy Jones beat Mike when he was 40 years old, fighting way above his prime weight, and after this he got beat by Toney and retired. I have to disagree, Roy beat the name, not the fighter. I could just as easily point out that Roy was ranked number 6 by the Ring Magazine, and was on a three fight winning streak and so on when he faced Joe, but we both know the truth.

Personally, I think Roy was a paper champion at LHW, until Gonzalez beat DM. Roy was not a PPV draw in the US, he wasn't a house hold name. There was big money in travelling to Germany, to fight in a big football stadium. Travelling enhances a fighers legacy! Look at this quote from Virgil Hill

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Listen from 3:35. Virgil Hill explains it pretty well. Yeah DM also deserves stick for the fight not getting made (even though he said he was willing to travel to America), but DM isn't the topic of discussion, if we're discussing Roy against the greats, then we have to look at how his legacy stacks up, and refusing to travel holds him back.

Reggie Johnson was a good fighter, that's a good win and I take nothing away. However, Hill was coming off a loss to DM and was clearly past his best, Griffin's claim to fame is a DQ win against Jones, look at what he achieved afterwards. He gets abuse for Frazier, because Frazier was just one of a collection of cans Roy was fighting on HBO, these fights were on PPV as well, he was beating up guys like Frazier, Thornberry, Harmon, Kelly and being proclaimed P4P number 1 by HBO and Ring Magazine atsch

Look at the credible opposition Floyd has fought over the last 5 years, now imagine if Floyd was spending that time fighting the likes of Matthew Hatton, Lovermore N'dou and so on, on PPV whilst proclaiming himself P4P number 1.

But once again, you're asking him to give up his world title, and go fight unknown fighters abroad, for very little money, with no guarantee that he could ever get a fight with Roy Jones. How do you know Roy would have to come down to 168 to fight Joe, if the fight could get made, there could have been a catch-weight, Joe could have moved up.

The fight could have taken place at LHW, we don't know. Also, Roy Jones was willing to fight at 168 in 2008.

Roy wouldn't make the fight with Darius, what's to say he would have made the fight with Joe?

Well, if they made offers to Roy Jones, and offered Hopkins a career high payday which he agreed to, then pulled out of, then he does have a right to complain. He was willing to make the big fights, big names weren't willing to fight him. Something similar to what's happening with Sergio Martinez right now.

I think some of it was due to Joe being a hypochondriac, he still showed up and put on a great performance. Joe's biggest wins are Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins. Take into consideration that Kessler still went on to beat (undefeated) Carl Froch when past his prime, what Eubank had already achieved and obviously Hopkins is Hopkins, that's an impressive career.

You can say that about Kessler, but answer me this question, when has Bernard Hopkins ever beaten a great fighter at a fair weight?

I see what you mean, but if they were there making offers to fighters, calling them out and so on, then I don't think he deserves the stick he gets. Remember, Joe never had the power or influence that Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins had in their primes.

Thanks for your response, sorry for the late reply!

 

Knockout,

Hi pal, thanks a lot for the reply. Don't ever worry about replying late, I've been really busy myself these last few weeks. I really enjoy debating with you, it's great. I'll try and reply back to you later on if I can. If I can't, I'll do it tomorrow. Thanks!

 

No worries mate, take your time, I probably won't be back on here today or for a few days (no spare time!).

Take care mate and speak to you soon

 

Yes, the prime roided Jones could've had the speed and conditioning to pot shot & stay out of trouble against Calzaghe to win a clear 12-round decision.

However, Jones should've been repeatedly randomly tested during the 90s and hit with a lifetime ban after the inevitable numerous positive tests. He's clearly one of the worst sports cheats in history.