Roy Jones vs. Harry Greb @ MW.

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    so I'm not willing to make a pick on him without first seeing him.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And we know this how?
     
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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :good

    I posted those tear emotes because we will never know that and it breaks my heart :neutral:
     
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  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes speed can't be trained, that's why sprinters don't train at all
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I do think though, that for a primed athlete (like a fighter) getting much faster is out of the question. I think of it as "training for quickness", being careful not to do things "turgidly", like clumsily or anything like that.

    You can see, in a fighter, how fast they can be pretty early doors I think it's fair to say.
     
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Train me another Roy Jones then.

    I will give you unlimited resources.

    I think that power and reflexes in a fighter, are based on neurology more than anything else.

    The cliche about a puncher being born holds true.
     
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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Have you boxed McGrain, as you improved your technique did you not notice an significant improvement in speed? As you throw punches constantly and regularly don't you notice improvements in your speed and sharpness? As your abbs/core get stronger you notice better coordination and speed in power punches, especially in combination. Certain exercises can make you more explosive

    I mean there's a genetic top level for everyone ofcourse
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Of course someone like me would do things more quickly. But we're not talking about someone like me - i'd say anyone that has been boxing two years AND receiving good training is nearly maxed out in terms of speed.

    Like I say, there are things you can do to make yourself more together, more organised, less clumsy, but that's about it if you're a highly tuned athlete.
     
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  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes and no, if a puncher is 'born' and he learns how to punch with poor form and continues to punch with poor form or throws arm punches, he will never be a puncher even with perfect genetics

    Also being a knock out puncher isn't simply about power, it's landing a punch in the right place at the right time'.

    'It's not how hard you hit them, it's where you hit them' - Mike Tyson (paraphrased)
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Roy trained very hard from an amateur on. The talent has to be there, but there is a lot of work necessary to make it world class.
     
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  11. janitor

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  12. PowerPuncher

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    Not only that but Roy's father taught him how to box, how to punch with perfect form from a young age, to the extent it developed into his muscle memory.

    Obviously great genetics too
     
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  13. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its called the myth of talent. As if Roy just suddenly woke up with blazing speed and reflexes and anticipation. He trained his whole damn life to be that good. He's Mozart.
     
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  14. rusak

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    They never saw Roy Jones though.

    Since Greb liked fighting bigger guys, let him come in at 165 or so against Jones at 180-185. Jones is bigger, almost certainly faster. I suspect Jones is actually quite a bit faster.

    Greb can't bully Jones, so what is he going to do? Let's not pretend that Greb wasn't stopped by welterweights either. I think Jones in those small gloves has an excellent chance at a stoppage.
     
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  15. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why the hell should Greb come in at 165 and Jones at 180-85 ? Is not this thread @ MW, or are you ignoring the meaning of this thread ???
    Mr expert, who is the welterweight that "stopped" Harry Greb ??? Joe Chip an experienced middleweight stopped the WW Greb when Harry was just starting his career...Egad !
     
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