Roy Jones vs. Schmeling

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    How does this play out?
     
  2. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Schmeling was a very good counterpuncher who hit very hard. Roy threw wide, looping punches which were easy to see, was an undersized HW, and had a notoriously iffy chin. Schmeling by mid-round KO for me after he figures out a predictable and outgunned Roy.
     
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  3. Totentanz.

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    I feel like Jones would come out too fast for Schemling, probably an early stoppage for Roy.

    Edit: Corrected my wording to be a bit more clear, I should've used a better word in the first place rather than simply, "KO".
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

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    LOL at “easy to see”

    Jones at his best was possibly the most elite fast twitched athlete we have ever seen in the ring.
     
  5. Schroeds73

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    Took the words out of my mouth. Forget who he was fighting, but he put his hands behind his back and then threw a right hook from that position & knocked a dude out. Check his highlights. I also have issue w/ the iffy chin comment above. He wasn't getting knocked out until the end of his career. Now.....maybe that's b/c he never got hit until he was older. But.....all I know is it was years before he was ever down let alone KO'd. Factor in the weight gain & loss from division jumping, aging fighter w/ about 50 fights under his belt. I think that has more to do w/ his chin than him being glass jawed.

    Reminds me a lil of how Chuck Liddell ended his career. Never KO'd and then once he was he became much weaker chinned. I think that 1st KO probably makes it easier for your body to shut down, especially as you age. JMO.
     
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  6. Totentanz.

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    He knocked out Glen Kelly with the behind the back right hook.
    I think it's pretty apparent that Jones had a shaky chin, even when at his best- Southpaw Lou Del Valle gave him problems and knocked him down multiple times from what I remember, and that was in 98, Roy was still formidable as ever. The thing was that Jones' whole style was centered around his athleticism and speed, and as it started to leave him, he couldn't adjust. Valle, Tarver, and an old ass McCallum gave him issues even before the weight change, and then he just declined swiftly after that.
    Jones simply wasn't very technically proficient, and once his speed faded out, he had nothing really left.
    I think Schmeling does have great chances here, but only and ONLY if he's really taking the time to pick apart Jones like he did Louis before their own match. A well studied Max likely has him.
     
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  7. Pedro_El_Chef

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    Not a chance Jones takes Schmeling out early, the guy was still on his feet after Max Baer had hit him with half a dozen power punches to the head in the 11th round.
    Unless Jones comes in with a sledgehammer, Schmeling doesn't get knocked out at all.
     
  8. Melankomas

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    Agreed, Schmeling's too durable to get knocked out here.

    That said, such an unorthodox speedster like Roy seems like a nightmare matchup for Schmeling, who's style was made to counter more orthodox boxers.
     
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    Baer wasn't exactly the fastest man around nor the most skilled finisher. I think that the fight is a great feat for Schmeling's durability against big, slugging sledge fighters with atomic rights, but I also think that the fact that he got stopped in one by Louis tells of another way for him to be taken out. Jones was an extremely fast starter and an extremely skilled finisher, and I think that with his unorthodox array of punches, he would be able to stop Max somewhere within the early rounds. Max likely had never dreamed of a fighter like Roy, and I just don't know that he'd be prepared for his opponent's onslaught.
     
  10. Melankomas

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    The main reason he was stopped in one was because Louis shattered Max's back as he turned towards the ropes. Sure it was his fault, but had that not happened I doubt Schmeling gets stopped in the first by Louis. Probably in the middle rounds.
     
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  11. Totentanz.

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    That's true, hopefully he doesn't turn his back towards Jones.
     
  12. Ney

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    Really interesting fight, well done. The size difference is there, but not insurmountable. Jones may be able to hurt Schmeling (especially with punches not foreseen), but I’m in the camp that Jones can’t KO him. Schmeling, a very studious counter-puncher, will be afforded time to figure Jones out. Can he?

    I’ll tentatively pick Schmeling here. Whether Jones’ chin was always suspect or only after the weight jumps & age set in, I won’t speculate on, but I figure Schmeling has the size & power to hurt him regardless.

    A decision for Jones is not out of the question IMO.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    Not a chance? Feather fisted Gypsy Daniels knocked a prime Max Schmeling out early

    jones has a chance against anyone
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    I can see why it might make more sense to pick schmeling ( on the surface. ). But I’m kinda liking Jones here
     
  15. Seamus

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    Roy sleeps him in 7.