Even more monumental - what would the posts be like in any and every thread if Jones retired post Ruiz :hey
Well, he'd be honored, no doubt, as the greatest fighter of all time. After all he would have ended his career by defeating that great fighter John Ruiz, the great and feared John Ruiz.
As Jones, at one time, had heavyweight aspirations, and then actually bulked himself up to heavyweight to fight and then defeat John Ruiz, then it becomes fair game to pit him against any other heavyweight champion of history, in these hypothetical matches, for the sheer purpose of speculation. Jone's fans are quite a vocal lot, and many proclaimed him to be the greatest fighter of all time, even exceeding Sugar Ray Robinson in the mythical pound for pound category. Once Jones is 'matched' against a fighter that would obviuosly be too much for him, such as Liston, then they accuse anyone of a dissenting opinion about RJJ as being a 'hater". It isn't, for me that is, a matter of being a hater, but to introduce the perspective of reality to the Jones nut-huggers as a reminder not to get carried away with that victory over Ruiz. Why, after all, did Jones elect to fight Ruiz, and not, say, either Klitschko brother or maybe even David Tua? Because, picking on a guy like Ruiz is quite a different kettle of fish than actually fighting the BEST and most dangerous of the heavies. Yes it was an accomplishment to defeat Ruiz, and Jones deserved to be commended for it, but as usual, the Jones worshippers went waaaay over board and exaggerated the significance and importance of that win. These hypothetical matches are what the Classic Forum is made of, and remember, Jones fans needn't be so overprotective of their idol, for after all, it's just an imaginary matchup, and if Liston was still alive and around a few years ago when Jones was making his foray into the heavyweight waters, Jones wouldn't get anywhere near him, much less choose him as an opponent.
He could outpoint Bethea but I can't see him stopping him, I can see him beating Patterson maybe dropping him along the way but then I can see Patterson catching Jones on the ropes (not too difficult, Jones' footwork is quick but ultimately poor) and sparking him but I'd favour Jones on points. Williams would knock Jones out he's just too powerful, he'd stand westphal on his head I think, Machen could go either way and....I don't know who the guy who was knocked through the ropes was so no comment. However, he'd probably beat them the way he fought ruiz, which is safety first and on points, Liston annihilated those guys and he'd annihilate Jones too. Remember Liston may have been only around 6' or so but he had the same reach as Lennox Lewis and a jab that could (and did) knock teeth out. Jones could last a few rounds but I see Liston jabbing him into a corner and blasting him out of there with that left hook from hell.
I believe the guy he KO'd through the ropes was Hurricane Jackson, a guy who was only ranked because of the awful era. Really a punching bag with little offense. I will never understand the cult of Cleveland Williams. He seems completely undeserving of the accolades he receives. Sure, he passed the eye test but he really only looked proficient against horrible competition. A good B-level heavyweight at best and in era that was sorely lacking. Jones most likely KO's him.
Watching that vid really shows how Liston had LONG arms. There are some spots in the clip where Liston looks like he's standing 4 feet away from somebody in the corner and still bombing them with hooks.
Watch also how wide he punched, how many openings he presented and how lumbering- and dare I say slow-he was. Still, he was a physical specimen for the time, too much for the skinny slappers who aspired to the top.
Liston knocked Marshall down and he was on all fours barking like a dog . Marshall got up and let go while Sonny was laughing ,result broken jaw Liston said he never laughed in the ring again.
McVey always has quality comments. Very doubtful Jones would ever try barking like a dog....but who knows...this is boxing.
Well, he's been a **** in the ring before (James Toney eat your heart out :-(( ), why not try imitating a *****? If RJJ thought that a stunt like that would get positive publicity or showcase his ring prowess, I reckon he'd try it.