Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I respect your opinion.

    Haye had all of the attributes needed to have taken Roy out. But I have to question his will.

    In what manner would he have fought Roy? Nobody knows.

    But I believe that he could have shown too much respect towards Roy, and fought cautiously.

    If he'd fought Roy aggressively and have been willing to trade whilst walking him down, he'd have won.

    If he'd have sat back and been cautious, he'd have lost.

    That's my honest opinion.

    I believe he'd have done the latter. He had a lot of respect for Roy, and he copied his style. He also would have respected Roy's great speed. Roy was faster than Haye. I think if Roy could have caught him with a big shot early, it would have made him back off. I have to question Haye's will after seeing his fights with Valuev and Wlad.


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  2. Loudon

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  3. AnotherFan

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    When David Haye fights, he always goes for the KO. He stood back a whole lot against Wladimir Klitschko and Nikolai Valuev, but when he thought the moment was right he went after them as well with the big guns. Besides, I think both Wladimir and Nikolai are special cases. Wlad is the hardest or one of the hardest punchers of all time, and Davids fight with Nikolai was a freak matchup with a tailor-made gameplan. Instead you should look at how he fights against opponents of similar size, and he's very aggressiv.

    I can't see David let Roy get away with a hit-and-run strategy. He's not particulary fond of losing, and while Roy probably is a bit faster their reflexes are on the same level. David would go after him and he would knock him out. It's a fight between a big, excellent athlete against a small, excellent athlete, and there can only be one outcome.

    Wladimir and Vitali would both turn the fight into a game of tag, where Roy either gets KO'd or survives to the final bell and lose an UD in a fight that will be remembered as a big embaressment for all involved, the whole way down to the fella who was selling hotdogs outside the stadium.

    Among the other HW's there are probably a few Roy would be able to outpoint. But since there would be a huge differenze in size and therefor fortitude, and we only have Roys fight against John Ruiz as a reference, it's hard to make reliable predictions. I don't rule out a point win against Alexander Povetkin, who is a good HW. I think he could outbox Eddie Chambers, in a fight that would be well worth to watch, since Eddie is skilled and has some pop.
     
  4. Loudon

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    AnotherFan,


    Sorry for the late reply, and I respect your opinions.

    I have doubts that he'd have gone straight after Roy aggressively. He may have been very aggressive against similar sized opponents, but they didn't have the attributes that Roy possessed.

    Roy would had to have gained his respect early. But Roy was faster than Haye, and he had much better footwork and reflexes. I'm a fan of Haye's, but I used to often shake my head in his fights. He used to copy Roy's stance with his left arm dangling low, but he never had the reflexes to avoid getting caught. It was like watching a cheap imitation.

    Both fights would have been tremendously hard for Roy. Vitali is slower than Wlad, but IMO, he was much tougher, and he wouldn't have respected Roy's power, and he would have tried walking him down. Wlad has more skills, but he would have been a lot more cautious. But I've never agreed with people who've said it would have been easy work for the K's, and Roy would have been knocked out pretty much instantly. Roy's speed would have caused both brothers a lot of problems. When Wlad fought Haye, he respected his power, but he had trouble hitting Haye clean with anything big, even when Haye was trapped on the ropes. I think that Roy could have frustrated them both with his movement. They would never have fought anyone as fast.

    We have only got the one fight against Ruiz as an example, but that's enough for me. If you have a look at today's top 20 HW's, I would honestly favour Roy over the majority of them.


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  5. The Akbar One

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    That isn't a good example. The fight was at a higher elevation in Equador, and also the temperature was said to be in the 100s in the arena. Those two things had a lot to do with Hopkins going down once legitimately. The second knockdown really wasn't. He went down, but it seemed more like a trip, or his foot got stepped on or something. Hopkins like Hagler just has a good punch resistance. He was eating Flush shots from Jones Jr. with no problem in the first fight.
     
  6. jim jim

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    If pascal loses roy will be ready to avenge him
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Only if he's got access to a time machine.

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  8. KillSomething

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    154: Beats them EDIT--Oh, wait, Kirkland is a 174lb southpaw with a pressure style and power. Kirkland by KO.
    160: GGG knocks him out
    168: Ward beats him. Degale, Groves, and Andre Dirrell have a shot.
    175: Kovalev and Stevenson knock him out.
    200: Drozd, Lebedev, and Usyk KO him.
    HWT: Klitschko moiders that bum. So does Fury. Roy might actually beat Wilder. Or get poleaxed. Who knows.
     
  9. larryx2012

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    Realistic post
     
  10. Loudon

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    :lol:

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  11. Loudon

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    Not in my opinion.


    The Ruiz version of Roy couldn't have beaten Chisora? Really?

    He couldn't have beaten Fury?

    He couldn't have beaten Pulev?

    Wilder would have knocked him out in round one?


    I think people need to go back and watch some footage of Roy. His speed would have caused a variety of problems.
     
  12. AnotherFan

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    David Haye is not a pressure figher, he's a counter puncher. But sooner or later he goes after all opponents aggressively, and he would have done so against Roy Jones Jr as well.

    Even if Haye had decided he didn't like to eat Roys left jabs, leaping left hooks and snappy right hooks, it wouldn't have made him stand down. Haye fought one of the three or five hardest hitting boxers in recorded boxing history in Wladimir Klitschko, and he still stood in front of his man, arms along the side, taunting him by sticking his face out. He also went after him swinging. The height of Roys power at HW is that he could ruffle John Ruiz' feathers. That's decent and decent won't cut it.

    When Ruiz used upper body movements he made Roy miss many of his shots. You can rewatch round 4 of their fight as a remainder. Haye has much better defense than Ruiz, both in technique and talent, and would make many of Roys hooks sweeping through air.

    Another thing to consider is that Ruiz was able to catch Roy occasionally. But Ruiz is feather fisted, because when he's tiring he throw shots with nothing behind them. He's a good boxer when it comes to winning rounds, because he's durable, has heart, and when he goes on the offence he makes use of his jab and throw combinations. What he lacks is power.

    Does Roy edge Haye in speed and reflexes? Yeah, probably. But if Roy had tried to stand in the middle of the ring with Haye beating him to the punch like he did with Ruiz, he'd get knocked out. The fight would have kept a much higher pace and I think Roy would have tasted the final hayemaker around the middle rounds :scaredas:

    Roy doesn't bring anything to the table that would make either of the KlitschKO brothers feel any pressue. Wlad is catious when he fights big punchers like Haye or Sam Peter. Average punchers like Tony Thompson or Chris Byrd will be walked down and knocked out. When Roy fought Ruiz, he landed several clean power shots, and you could tell Ruiz didn't like it. But that's all there is to it. Heavyweights operating at an ATG-level wouldn't be bothered.

    I agree that Wlad would have huge problems landing heavy shots. Regardless, we would have a big Ukrainian guy running after a small American guy, and an audience shaking their heads at the whole non-event.

    Vitali who is a sadistic ******* and fails to understand that beating up small no-hopers brings no glory would probably have chased after Roy more eagerly, believing he was about to make history. Which means Roy would have had to spend a lot of time against the ropes beeing roughed up. Vitalis power isn't all that but he throws many different kind of punches, so avoiding them all would have been hard. I think we would have seen a stoppage before the late rounds.

    That seems likely. Ruiz is a good fighter, and if you can handle him you can handle a lot.