Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

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  1. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy pretty much beats them all (although Hopkins from 2006-2010 could cause an upset)

    Well everyone up from 160-175. People tend to over rate Roys win over Ruiz so Cruiserweight would always be a problem for Roy

    Marco Huck is an all aggression type of fighter, as limited as he is he could still land something that would knock Jones out

    Denis Lebedev however was getting outclassed at times by a shot Jones so a prime version would win a comfortable UD

    Yoan Pablo Hernandez would also give Roy an argument and possibly beat him

    As far as the heavyweights go Jones would have been knocked out by any of the top level fighters today with the exception of Adamek

    Its hard to judge him at the higher weights because he only had one fight past 175 at the time, if he had taken on the cruiserweights at the time then stepped up to heavyweight his legacy would have been much more impressive
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thanks mate, a fantastic post!

    You're the only one to do a proper in depth breakdown.

    I enjoyed reading that.

    Andre Direll has all the tools to be a hell of a fighter. But like you say, unfortunately, he's mentally weak.

    The comments on Cloud and Bellew made me laugh ha! :lol:

    I think the Ruiz version of Roy, could beat a few of today's HW's.

    Of course if any of them caught him clean, that would be it.

    But I think he could have stayed out of harms way against a few.


    Thanks mate! :good
     
  3. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Np m8,of all of this fighters i would really like to see roy vs hopkins when they were beasts. Hopkins wasnt experienced enough the first time they fought.
    Except Dirrel and Mayweather, all of this fighters are just too slow,how can you hit lighting? :)
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    Regarding Hopkins, remember the timeline is only from 96-2003 when Roy was at 175.

    Could today's 175 version of Hopkins have beaten that 96-2003 version of Roy?

    It's a shame Roy didn't fight at CW either before or after his stint at HW.

    At the time, he never gave it a seconds thought.

    That's a good breakdown of the CW's.

    Regarding the HW's, like you say, it's hard to judge, because Roy only had the one fight against Ruiz.

    But I don't think all of the HW's that I've listed would have knocked out that version. Of course if they'd have landed clean, then they would have. But would everyone apart from Adamek have gotten the opportunity? I don't think so. I think that version of Roy was more than capable of beating a few of today's HW's.

    :good
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree. Roy was too fast for nearly all of them.

    Roy vs Hopkins at a 168 catchweight in 2002, would have been GREAT!

    But Roy wasn't going to come down in weight, to fight a guy who he'd already beaten, and who he didn't like, for 50-50. It was never going to happen.

    It was a battle of the egos, and neither would back down.

    But it was a real shame.
     
  6. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Jones was after Holyfield?
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was Roy's initial target. They spoke late in 2001, just prior to Holy's 3rd fight with Ruiz.

    If Holy had've beaten Ruiz and won the WBA belt, Roy would probably have fought Holy in the 1st half of 2002.
     
  8. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now THAT would have been special.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    According to Roy, he pulled out because he didn't think he'd get much credit, and Ruiz still held the belt.

    So he remained at 175 for another year, tried half heartedly to get the Hopkins rematch, and then took a mandatory or two.

    We could have seen a Holyfield fight instead of the Glen Kelly fight.

    If only! :good
     
  10. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    I guarantee you if he had fought Lennox instead of huggy, he would get a truckload of credit
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He would never have fought Lewis straight away, and you know what happened after the Vitali fight.

    After the Ruiz fight, people were talking about a LL fight. LL said that Roy was a great fighter, but if he ever thought of taking him on, it would be a step too far.

    LL thought that Roy would be an easy nights work, for a huge amount of money.

    Roy was interviewed, and he admitted that LL was too big, and probably would be a bridge too far.

    Then came the Vitali fight, and that changed everything. LL never planned that as his last fight, and he never thought that Vitali would cause him as many problems as he did.

    Roy was ringside for that fight, and immediately afterwards, he went to Murad Muhammad and said, I'm telling you, that's a winnable fight, I've seen things I can exploit.

    Murad asked him if he was serious, and told him he was crazy.

    Roy said he was 100% serious, and he had more than a good chance of winning, and the money would be huge.

    So Murad tried to make the fight.

    Also, Roy himself approached LL, and asked about a potential fight.

    Lennox told Roy, that he was definitely going to retire, as he wasn't interesting in fighting again, and that he was going to announce it within a few months.

    With regards to Ruiz, Roy was at his peak at 168, and he went up and dominated a top 5 HW at 34 years of age, after nearly 50 fights.

    It doesn't matter who the HW was, or the circumstances involved, that is a great avhievement.
     
  12. Povetkinfan

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    He'd certainly have beaten all the fighters below super-middle.
    Super middle Ward/Froch/Kessler/Bute would all have v.g chances of beating him
    L/H Kovalev & Stephenson hit too hard for Jones
    CRUISER Chakhiev & Jones would both have worn Jones down
    HW K2 + Haye + Pulev + Price, would definitely beat him + several others like Fury, Povetkin etc would most likely have stop Jones too
     
  13. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Interesting stuff Loudon

    However its very easy to claim you wanted a piece of somebody after the fact. In reality, Jones wouldnt dream of sharing a ring with Lennox Lewis. The mere idea is preposterous

    And with regards to your last sentence, i afraid it matters very much. Whats the good in going up to beat on a big worthless lump of ****, which when you take away huggy bears only gameplan is exactly what youre left with
     
  14. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Slow plodding Froch, one dimensional kessler and no chin bute having a good chance to wear jones down?You must be crazy.
    Kovalev is a good fighter but unproven,we need to see him against a great then we can discuss him,cause this is ridiculous. Same as stevenson,guy has one big win and everyone is on his nuts.
    Ward is a different story cause his ring iq is very good but he is to slow for jones and his stamina is questionable.
    Chakhiev hits hard and i like him as a fighter(saw him fighting live) but he fought b level fighters.I dont see him getting near jones same as guilermo,that guy is a walking punching bag,he plows forward with no regards of getting hit.
    As i said about the hw,that is tricky cause of the power but Price:patsch and Fury?They are horrible fighters.
     
  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Actually it does matter. Ruiz had not had a KO in almost 5 years prior to the Jones fight he had no skills and a style that if a referee enforced the rules he would be worthless. Now, the rules thing isn't Jones fault as I am not sure why that is the one fight where the referee didn't allow Ruiz to use his illegal mauling, clinching, grabbing, wrestling, and faking low blows he was reduced to a flat footed plodder who stood in the center of the ring taking pot shots all night.

    Ruiz was a handpicked fight just like 98% of Jones optional fights were. It was a trinket belt which Roy loved to collect. Lennox Lewis was THE Heavyweight champion. So, in reality it isn't even the same thing Fitzsimmons did :patsch Also, when Spinks moved up he fought THE Heavyweight champion he didn't go after one of the trinket beltholders like Roy did.

    So, yes there is a huge circumstantial difference. Roy took the path of least resistance his whole damn career.