Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

Jones won trinket belts in every weight class. Sorry.

 

Your opinion only.Sorry
And some brits and alts as well.
I dont know what do you find as attractive fights as well decapitations?mutilations?bukkake parties?

 

This is true.
The real question is weather he would have won any belts without the peds

 

Another alt created for this threads.:roflatsch
Go back under the stone you crawled out.

 

Loudon - normally agree with a lot of what you say, but I think there's some issues with this viewpoint.

Passing random tests is essentially meaningless. Confirmed dopers in sports with far more rigourous testing than boxing have gone through dozens of tests without slipping up.

There are also numerous examples of athletes failing multiple tests. It may deter some individuals, but it's essentially the same as any kind of punishment. Some people never reoffend, whereas others just become more careful about getting caught.

Roy got virtually no punishment for the violation, and it was essentially brushed under the carpet. It was hardly a life-changing Dwain Chambers moment where his whole world came crashing down and he was villified within the sport. No-one really give a **** to be honest. There was really no deterrent to compromise his earnings potential by fighting clean.

Roy's muscle gain for the Ruiz is highly suspicious. Yes, it is within the realms of possibility that he was able to do that naturally, but Jones doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt given his past history. You have an example of someone who previously tested positive for steroids, who at the age of 34 significantly increases his muscle mass in a short space of time without any noticeable drop off in speed. Generally, in sport if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and makes very loud quacking noises, you can safely assume we have a small aquatic bird of the of the family anatidae on our hands.

Agreed. Roy was a supreme talent with or without chemical assistance, and it's likely that a significant number of his peers who never tested positive were doing the same things anyway.

 

Shilstone is also famous for working with Serena Williams. Yup, Serena "built like a NFL Linebacker" Williams, aka Serena "lock herself in a room and call 911 when doping control show up for out of competition test" Williams

I have no idea if Mackie is involved in PEDs, but if you judge the character of a man by the company he keeps, I wouldn't be betting the house against that possibility.

Everything you've said raises suspicion if anything - using a specialist S+C guy who was instrumental in transforming Spinks from a skinny LHW to the heavyweight champ and has worked with athletes in sports where doping is common.

He may well be highly respected. He may well be highly knowledgeable. He may well be highly, um, good at getting results. It doesn't mean he is above suspicion, and his involvement doesn't do anything to remove question marks around how Roy "prepared" for the Ruiz fight.


I tend not to give any elite athlete the benefit of the doubt unless they are completely open and transparent, and take meaningful action to clean up their sport beyond simple lip service. If it really was a case of doping being rare, the clean majority would be actually doing something about it, rather than shrugging their shoulders and scratching their arse. I know that other people are less cynical, which is all good. Each to their own

Anyway, whatever the truth behind Roy and PEDs I don't think it tarnishes his legacy. The only ones who suggest that are either highly principled salt-of-the-earthers, trolls looking to get a reaction, or people oblivious to the fact that PED use in boxing is not just restricted to a few high profile America-based fighters. Take your pick.

 

??no they gave him extra strength and stamina

 

Another yank claiming they all take peds.
Look at other sports, it usually the yanks doing the cheating

 

Cheers - I'll have a look when I get the chance.

I wasn't intending to imply that Mackie that was dirty, and to be fair I could have worded that bit better. I was more getting at that to me the burden of proof rests with people to prove that they are clean, rather than the other way round. Some people think that's a bit of a ****ed up viewpoint, and it's probably from spending too much time around MMA fighters and watching cycling and athletics for years. To me there are a lot of parallels between boxing now and how the sports perceived to be dope-infested were in the 80s and 90s. The culture of denial and omerta has been prevalent in boxing for years, although the tide seems to be turning a bit in the last few years.

 

Quite right chief, especially about the yank bit. Thanks for setting me straight.

There isn't a single British fighter to get busted for drugs. Apart from that Larry Olubamiwo chap. Oh, and Terry Dunstan. And Tony Dodson. And Dillan Whyte. And Craig Windsor. And some others :think

The yanks and those greasy Spaniards are the worst for cheating I think. It shows you how awesome the Brits are when they can go from 1 Olympic gold medal to 29 in the space of 16 years when the rest of the world is cheating like *******s. There's a lot to be said for a bit of lottery cash and "marginal gains" :deal