Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

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  1. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Love the sarcastic tone.:lol::lol:
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    When?

    How long did he take them for?

    You asked, could he have won a belt without them?

    So did he take them against Ruiz, three years after Hall?
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No problem mate, you've made some good points there. I'm a cycling fan, and I've just about had enough now.

    What needs to happen in boxing?

    I'd like all year round random blood and urine tests on every pro fighter. But would it be possible? How much would it cost etc?
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    "The yanks and those greasy Spaniards are the worst for cheating I think."

    Ha! I'm on my girlfriends ipad in bed, and I've just woke her up laughing my head off. Ha!

    She's not impressed. :lol:
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    Did you read what he wrote about Serena Williams?
     
  6. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ward might be able to beat him or at least it would be a very difficult fight just like it was with Hopkins. The others would lose.
     
  7. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Not all the way true.. Part of the reason Ruiz couldn't hold on Jones like some of the other heavies is because of Roy's foot speed and ring generalship... Roy wasn't really there to hold on to and hug..

    Whenever Ruiz tried to come forward, Roy would be backing away with more speed than Ruiz ever had to deal with, and hitting him at the same time.. Roy hurt Ruiz early, and had him hesitating to even come after Roy.. At one point Ruiz' trainer was aggressively pushing him over and over yelling at him as to why he was just standing in front of Roy.

    You need to credit Roy a bit more, for making the big man think twice about coming after him.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like Ward, but I think Roy's speed would be too much.

    What about a young 20 year old Roy at 154, vs Floyd? (today's version or the Oscar one)
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    A great post!

    He's not willing to give Roy any credit, just look at the rest of his posts.
     
  10. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Thanks bud..

    I am familiar with Rico, he was one of the first Jones critics to rile me up on ESB..:lol::patsch

    He is actually a good guy though, with some great knowledge of the sport.:yep
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    What fight were you watching? Now, Ruiz was never going to win the fight anyway which is why he was picked. And I have ZERO issue with the rules being enforced by the referee. Just that like a lot of Jones fights it was carefully crafted. Ruiz was the perfect opponent at the perfect time.

    Comparing the skills of Jones and Ruiz is like comparing a Rolex to a Casio :lol::lol::lol:
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wasn't picked. Let me know when it's sunk in.

    Ruiz was never going to win?

    A 220 HW vs a guy with a glass jaw (your words) coming up from 175? :lol:
     
  13. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Ruiz is much less skilled than Jones, that is true..:lol::rofl

    Honestly at the time the size really concerned me.. He just looked so much bigger than Roy.. I knew the whole time all it took was one good punch from Ruiz to end the fight.. It made it dramatic. Crazy too how Roy almost turned into the bigger guy, standing in the middle of the ring with his hands below his waste.. you just can't to that without making the larger man respect you.

    Roy had always talked of fighting at HW, I believe he almost signed to fight Holyfield once, and actually signed to fight Buster Douglas but backed out due to his father. I honestly think he planned on fighting there more than once, and Ruiz made more sense than Lennox, obviously.. I know it didn't impress you much, it is still a great feat though, if it wasn't more would have done it.:deal
     
  14. Super Hans

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    Prome Jones would've beaten any of them less Nathan Cleverly and Danny Green (he's all wrong for Jones and would KO him in round 1 every time)
     
  15. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually think cycling has the right idea with the biopassport. While it certainly has flaws, it works on a couple of important principles:

    1) Doping is widespread.
    2) Conventional testing methods are an imperfect means of preventing this.

    Essentially it's saying that we know you're going to cheat, but we're going to stop you from cheating too much. I don't think EPO use is anywhere near as big a problem in boxing, but it's the principle more than anything.

    You can talk for hours about the logistics of implementing blood tests, costs, effectiveness etc. I honestly think that firstly the regulatory framework needs to be right for any methods to be effective. Boxing regulation is decentralised, and responsibility lies in the hands with alphabet governing bodies, athletic commissions, boards of control etc. There is little consistency and co-ordination between them, as illustrated by the Peterson farce.

    A single, independent organisation set up to control the registration and suspension of boxers would be a massive step forward. It's also as likely to happen as Don King getting a short back and sides.

    The other big change needed is in the mindset within the sport. There is very little stigma or negative consequences to getting caught, and mentalities are still very old school with regards to the benefits of PEDs and how widespread they are. Using Shane Mosley as an example, he admitted to using steroids and EPO for one of the biggest wins in his career against De La Hoya. Despite this, he remained a HBO poster boy and PPV attraction for years afterwards, no results were annulled, and he has retained his media good guy image. When the margins between success and failure are so small, and the consequences of getting caught minimal, I don't think you can villify the individual fighters and see it as a few cheats trying to get round the system.

    Regardless of the measures used to monitor drug use, you need effective deterrents at the other end, both in terms of suspensions and earning potential. In athletics, the lucrative Diamond League used to prohibit anyone who had served a lengthy drug suspension. People could still compete after returning from a ban, but their earning potential was limited.

    There should certainly be better testing methods, but this is just one part of a wider problem.