Roy Jones was better than Sugar Ray Robinson

But he was still a WW. Just because he also faced MWs, while weighing as a WW, why does that mean he had to face all of the best ones?

Compared to Roy, he fought many more who outweighed him in the ring. That should be a plus, not something held against him because he didn't face even more top class fighters that outweighed him by a full division (which would have been two divisions today and during Roy's time) in the ring.

 

Maxie Shapiro, Jimmy McDaniels and George Costner were apparently not ranked at the time Robinson faced them.

 

Well at welterweight he also missed out on many of the best guys there were no fights with Tippy Larkin, Frankie Wills, Leo Rodak, Johnny Greco, Bee Bee Wright, Harold Green, Freddie Archer, Beau Jack. You almost get the impression that it was deliberate given how many fights he managed to make with guys outside the top 10 or whom he had already beaten a zillion times.

 

George Costner was rated highly the year before he faced Robinson but seems to have fallen out of the top 10 by the following year, maybe the loss to Gene Burton did it.

 

According to who?

 

Yeah, he took the easy fights against Zivic, Gavilan and Bell. He had met Angott, Zivic and LaMotta within two years of turning pro. What a protected cad, right? Remind me again, which current, former and future champions had Jones met within two years of turning pro?

 

Maxim and Mills were LHWs

Marshall fought Williams 3 times; Charles 3 times; Chase 3 times

Williams fought Burley 7 times; Lytell 4 times; Cocoa Kid more than ten times

Burley fought Zivic 3 times; Chase 3 times; Wade 3 times


Getting the picture?

 

Costner went into 1950 with a No.2 Welterweight ranking. He dropped out of the rankings for 1950, because he was retired from Boxing on medical grounds (detached retina).

 

A number of 'prime losses'? Care to elaborate on that? 131-1-1 after the Valentine's Day massacre? 133 fights in ten years? No era consideration? Let Roy fight 133 times from after turning pro for ten years a I guarantee you'll see multiple losses on his record.
The original poster said: "PERIOD" What F**king nonsense.

 

He was carrying Fusari.

 

Robinson knocked Fullmer, Jones never knocked out a fighter as tough as Gene. Robinson beat La Motta and Jones never fought anyone as tough as LaMotta either.

 

Robinson`s loses came when he was in his 30`s, he lost to all time greats like Basilio, LaMotta and Fullmer, around the same age Jones lost to Tarver and Glen Johnson two fighters who were nowhere near this level.

 

Jones took hardly any punches from Hopkins or Toney both fighters hardly thew punches in their bouts vs Roy, Hopkins threw more but didn`t land any power shots at all, it was a boring fight.

 

Ray`s jab was far better and constantly in your face, Ray would have destroyed Griffin while Jones struggled in the first fight before he came out blasting in the rematch, if he came out like that vs Ray he would be KO`d.

 

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