Roy Jones: Was he the best ever?

Some of those are good choices, some of them are not.

If you have such a problem seeing why Whitaker should rate so highly, why do you rate Jofre ahead of him?

Rating Mayweather ahead is ridiculous. Hearns certainly didn't have a more dominant, consistent career. Whitaker's jumps in weight put him above Hagler and Monzon for me.

How does Saddler rate above him? Explain that one.

You insist on putting Pep ahead of him despite the fact that you were able to offer not a single counter-argument to my post comparing them. Typical.

And the fact that you put Chavez(or Marciano for that matter) ahead of him ruins your credibility, so I'll go no further.

 

laughing off a KD doesn't mean you have a good chin, in fact most boxers do that to try and hide the fact that they are hurt... you are penalizing mayweather for being in a shitty era... i don't belive i ever said that mayweather's resume was better than whitakers... but i do believe if you put mayweather in whitakers era that mayweather would still hold an undefeated record, something that whitaker can't claim... and i'm not even trying to sound like an undefeated record means everything, obviously marciano has one and many consider ali better than marciano.... whitakers opponents were not more dangerous... everybody (except you apparently) knows that sports have progressed over the past few years and athletes are stronger and quicker than ever, hence someone like de la hoya can't adapt, kinda like whitaker couldn't adapt, he lost to the new athletes, trinidad...etc i know u know whitakers resume... anyways mayweather has beaten raw better athletes... hence mayweather would give someone like whitaker (not even close to floyd's athleticism) a beating

 

I don't care about anything else you said, I just wanna draw attention to this to expose the absolute idiocy of the person I'm arguing with, so everyone can see why I'm going to drop out of the argument.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my stay at ESB. Do yourself a favor and delete your account. You can't have an IQ higher than 75.

 

:good

 

After losing the early rounds Mike McCallum gave him a boxing lesson through the middle rounds of their fight, were he a few years younger with a little more wind in his lungs he would've beaten him.

 

Sweet Pea, going by the reasons you give for rating Whitaker so high i feel that you would have to have RJJ rated higher than him my reasons for this are;

You said about shifting weight division, RJJ did this and more impressively than Whitaker winning world titles at Middleweight, Super middleweight, Light Heavyweight and even Heavyweight.

Going by the fighters you list as being Whitakers best wins RJJ has better wins in his prime against the likes of Sugar Boy Malinga (KO) Virgil Hill (KO) James Toney (Wide UD) Bernard Hopkins (wide UD) Montell Griffin (KO) Mike Mccallum (Wide UD)

RJJs only losses came out of his prime ( after his move down from heavyweight) so like you said about Whitaker nobody could beat him in his prime. His only prime loss was a DQ against Montell Griffin which he avenged with a first round KO in the rematch.

Therefore RJJ should be above Whitaker not 20 places below him?

 

Theydid fight it was 120 - 107 on all three judges card including a knockdown in the 10th for RJJ although those judges were all from Florida ( RJJs home state) something funny went on with this because the WBC had three different judges who also scored the fight for RJJ by UD but close on the cards

 

RJJ-an X-MEN of the sport he has an insane natural reflex ability

 

Why is that more impressive? Whitaker did it in 4 divisions as well, with more impressive competition beaten.

Do I really need to respond to this? You think those wins are better than wins over Chavez(better than any Jones win), McGirt X2(higher P4P than any Jones win outside of Toney), Vasquez(easily a more dangerous opponent than any of Roy's, would've been the equivalent of Roy taking on one of HW champions not named John Ruiz), Ramirez X2(on par at least with an ancient McCallum, difference being the level of dominance Pea exhibited), and Nelson(ATG fighter, only Jones and Toney compare at the time they fought, being as McCallum was old and basically shot).

Throw in the robbery(in many's eyes, not just my own) at the hands of De La Hoya and you have wins over 4 ranked P4P fighters at the time(one of them #1), arguably the best 154 pounder at the time(one Norris ducked), and a fighter easily on the level or ahead of most of Jones's second tier wins in Ramirez.

You really didn't have much case here at all.

True, but why does that rank him above Whitaker, considering Whitaker proved it against the better competition and ducked noone?

Well, I've just proved he shouldn't be above him. As far as how low he is, most of that has to do with the fact that Roy simply didn't take full advantage of what he had. He was arguably the most talented fighter of all time and he wasted a lot of those years feeding on bums. His dominance and performance get him as high as he is, but certainly not his resume, which had some good second tier wins, but aside from Hopkins and Toney early on, he didn't have a great run of opponents after 1994. Good, but not great, whereas Whitaker probably faced his best competition even outside of his best weight.

However, My rankings are constantly fluctuating, and Jones has been as high as #23 before. Who knows where he'll be in a week, certainly not lower.

 

Do you even try to be serious Rooster? Do you just block out all the facts that destroy your case?

In case everyone was unaware, there is a story told by Manny Steward himself and confirmed by Whitaker that an amateur Pernell Whitaker(on the Olympic team) flew to Camacho's gym and gave him a boxing lesson, and that Camacho had to resort to dirty tactics to get into the fight. This was Camacho at the peak of his powers in 1983 against a young, pre-pro Whitaker.

Rooster can't handle when someone gets the better of one of his faves, so he decides to hold a grude on them forever, especially being as the guy was an amateur when he schooled his boy. Talk about embarassing.

 

I agree a lot with this, for me pep gets overrated a lot, he threw a fight, quit in a fight and never went up in weight and when did lost to agnott, while he has some very good wins at 126 for me the reason he gets rated highly is for lots of wins but not great wins and more importantly his amazing talent.

Now if pep can rate highly because of this then why cannot jones? Jones went up in weight beat 2 atg in Hopkins and toney and went from starting 154 all the way up to heavy. He doesn't have the best resume though it certainly aint bad, i have pep and jones around the same area both top 20 but don't crack the top 10 and they both get there through unbelivable talent. Know your point wasn't really to do with jones but thought i jump on it

 

hes # 2 for me after robinson and joint with pep followed by srl