Roy Jones: Was he the best ever?

His chin was garbage. He handpicked most of his fights would not take risk(s) etc.

 

ALOT OF FIGHTERS WITH excellent chins have been put down @ the age of 35.

Didnt Ray leanord get put down by HECTOR COMACHO?

in addition to that didnt Roy lose an incredible amount of weight ?

I cant remember a fighter coming down in weight that much, straight into a title fight vs a TOp dude like Tarver.

Oh,,,he won the 1st fight as well.

 

You can make a big case for Roy Jones Jr. Even though he didn't accumulate a 100+ wins and establish a massive resume like the old fighters who fought more often, in his prime he's the closest thing I've ever seen to a genuinely unbeatable fighter. His natural talent and raw athletically ability is untouchable. Head-to-head he's pretty hard to pick against.

The losses at the end of his career hurt his standing, but his record is still pretty outstanding. P4P No.1 for at least 5 years, 4-weight world champion, dozens of title defences. Against good fighters too; Mike McCallum, James Toney, Virgil Hill, Clinton Woods, Bernard Hopkins and Montell Griffin. He'll always have a special place in my heart after stepping up to Heayvweight and taking John ****ing Ruiz to school. Watching one of the most talent fighters ever beat the **** out of that fraud restored a lot of my faith in boxing.

Here's my list, make of it what you will

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammed Ali
4. Roy Jones Jr
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Harry Greb
8. Ray Leonard
9. Archie Moore
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Willie Pep
12. Roberto Duran
13. Joe Louis
14. Floyd Mayweather Jr
15. Salvador Sanchez
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Julio Ceaser Chavez
19. Pernell Whittaker
20. James Toney

 

There are countless post on this forum debating wether RJJ was the greatest.

Alot of people pour scorn on this debate and suggestion.

It is a testamony to RJJ talent and accomplishments that some of us even contemplate this.

Alot of people on here remember there all time Favs eg. Harry Grebb, Walcott, Joe Louis, La Motta, Monzon etc at their best and come up the theory that these guys beat RJJ. But they image RJJ at his worst (gettimng Kod by Tarver @35).

Why dont we remember this great fighter at his best (which was 10 SOLID years).

We seem to be so forgiving to guys from the past.

 

Because the good times are only kept in memory and RJJ is too close to the current era to be seen as invincible, give it 20 years and the Tarver loss will be out of his prime and he's ranked up there among the greatest.
RJJs only problem has been he beat good fighters too easy which makes his record not look as good as it is.

 

And the performance enchancing drugs are still at the forefront of our thoughts.

 

God another Calzaghe nut hugger, a presume your going to try and convince me Calzaghe wasa greater fighter after holding the bogus WBO belt, beating countless over the hill fighters, suddenly getting brave fighting a 43 year old HOF fighter in Vegas. Fighting over rated Europeans. Cazlaghe is this generations Dariuz Michelchewski.

A typical Frank Warren product.

 

You get me so wrong.. :nono

 

No, Tarver was better than him. :nut

 

The problem is for Jones, not the quality of fighters but the quantity. Jones either beat very good guys who got better post fight, or absolute shite.

Actually there is an argument to say he rarely fought guys in their peak, but thats just a opinion.

 

In my opinion the following are the most talented and versatile boxers of all time with RJJ near the top.

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Hector Camacho
Sam Langford
Muhammad Ali
Roy Jones Jr.
Ezzard Charles
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ezzard Charles
Carlos Monzon
Gene Tunney
Marvin Hagler

 

He is the most naturally talented ever. He is the Ray Robinson of his time. Speed, power, combinations, footwork, reflexes....the whole nine. You'd be hard pressed to find a true favorite over a prime Roy Jones between the 160-175 weight classes.

 

Mayweatheaught Pea one time, Pea dominated the rest of the fight. By that logic, ****in Demarcus Corley was rocking the **** out of Mayweather, what would Sweet Pea do to him? Dumbass.

He has a higher KO rate because the majority of his KO's were at 130 pounds facing smaller, lesser competition. His punchstats are not evidence of him being a more skilled defensive fighter, just of him being a much more boring, cautious pot-shoter who'll never take risks.

Now go back to beating your woman like your hero so loves to do.:good

 

I'm from the Stone Age, rr, and though SRR will always be my man, a strong case could be made for Roy, especially if he'd walked away after the Ruiz fight.

 

"The Ray Robinson of his time" You have got to be kidding me? I could list at least 20 that would have KO'ed Jones.

I can't take all this Jones love?

Please name me all the fighters that Jones fought, that would make any all time great top ten list. (at any weight) Hopkins maybe, who else?
Its easy to look good vs stiffs.