Roy Jones was right when he called Hopkins a bottom feeder

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  1. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    I used to respect him but I've come to realize he's not who he portrays himself to be. He used to say stuff like, and I'm paraphrasing here...."if he wants to take into the alley and have a street fight I wont complain to the referee", insinuating that he would rather seek his own retribution than look to the ref for help, as though that would make him some kind a squealer, and that, that aint gangsta, yet there he was against Roy Jones play acting. Well the Dawson fight was the final straw for me. Hopkins assumed! he would auto get a no decision so took a dive, that's the real reason he milked it for all it was worth and stayed down. If Hopkins knew they would originally of given a no contest he would of been up like a shot, guaranteed!!, and everyone deep down knows that's the truth. Its now come full circle and no only doesn't he have a loss to Dawson, he surprise surprise, doesn't want to rematch Dawson. So from having avoided Dawson for so long, to finally fighting him and realizing he had his hands full, that he was probably gonna lose so took a dive, he's been able to fight him, and in some fuked up kinda way managed to appease people from calling for the Dawson fight, and saved himself another loss to where by he can go a cherry pick the other fighters who do! cooperate with his style, guys like Cleverly, or to a lesser degree, the overrated Bute.

    Hopkins must be the only man who can avoid Dawson through fear of losing, fight him, get a no decision, and move away from the fight he was most likely on coarse to losing, and have fans accepting of it.

    This is how Hopkins mind works....

    Fight Pavlik cause he's a deliberate fighter who cooperates with my style. Fight Pascal cause he's just a quick athletic guy, but one who has no fundamentals to create his openings, and so will resort to jumping in with ******ed aimless flurries. Avoid Dawson because he has the same kind of athleticism as Pascal, but has the fundamentals to create his openings and maintain his advantages.

    I said before the fight that Dawson reminded me of Jermain Taylor. Now I know Jermain is not great technically, what with the way he throws the right hand and all, but he does have fundamentals, like he can use his jab etc, well Hopkins has always been criticized for not being able to handle quick fighters, well I think whats more to the point, its quick fighters who are good technically, ones who know how to utilize their speed advantage and maintain their advantages, ones who have the fundamentals to create their openings, and that is the difference between someone like Pascal, and Dawson & Taylor imo. Pascal is wild. He's someone who fights with no structure to his game. He's someone who's gonna flit in and out of range throwing flurries and leaving himself open. Dawson and Taylor are the type to methodically pick you off from behind their fundamentals and use their speed outta the confines of their technique. They are gonna try and use their advantages. Why's this important? because Hopkins only way to beat Dawson was on the inside, he couldn't exist on the outside where Dawson could utilize his speed & combinations, however once Hopkins realized he wasn't gonna be able to shake Dawson out of his rhythm by bum rushing him and trying to break up his rhythm to drag him into that kind of fight, he decided it was best to find a way out of the fight.


    I used to give Hopkins the benefit of the doubt for fighting smaller men, like yeah some of those guys were smaller, but they were still extremely good fighters, IE still great wins, but now its makes me question just how calculating he is, and that, choosing those smaller guys might actually of been a conscious decision. Now Hopkins is gonna revert back to what he does best, picking on fighters who's style cooperate with his to further his legacy. I guess he will either fight the overrated Bute, or the not so good Cleverly.

    Of coarse a lot of fans will disagree due to bias because Hopkins is a "legend", as there are people out there who so NEED to have some kind of hero to look up to. :-(
     
  2. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    So Hopkins had a master blan of scheduling a fight, getting into the ring and then making sure he gets you with a legit NC injury. Damn.
    If Dawson and Pascal meet then the winner will probably be the mandatory for the WBC belt meaning we could get a rematch.
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    James Toney also agrees ...Hopkins is an oppurtunist of the worst kind while telling people he's gangsta !
     
  4. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    WTF does convicted steroid cheat James Toney know about anything, he's a fat bum and a disgrace who only wishes he'd have had Hopkins success and discipline :deal
     
  5. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    He could never have Hopkins success because he would never fight smaller men !:good
     
  6. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    Do you think Montell Griffin was some sort of giant? :patsch:patsch and by the way the 5"7 Griffin beat a prime Toney twice, talk about smaller men. :lol::lol:
     
  7. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    don't feel like reading all that. does the OP say anything interesting?
     
  8. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    don't even begin to compare Hopkins and Toney. I like Toney but Hopkins had the character to stay in the best possible shape throughout his career, Toney couldn't even do that.
     
  9. RustBelt

    RustBelt The Pride Of Youngstown Full Member

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    PAVLIK wanted HOPKINS Because CALzaghe Ducked Pavlik! so thats not Hopkins fault!
     
  10. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    He is still a hall of famer ..And quite accomplished regardless of his discipline ..Lets not act like Toney didn't do anything in the sport now ..Discipline aside Toney never bitched out of a fight ..He took his come up in like a man !
     
  11. Rampage

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    griffin started his career at light heavy and is a pretty thick guy. not discrediting hopkins in any way tho...nobody asked tito to come to middleweight and nobody asked oscar to. if i were hopkins i would have taken those fights as well being they were career high paydays.
     
  12. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    He's a disgraceful steroid cheat who needed drugs to get ahead :-(
     
  13. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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  14. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    since when does roids help your boxing iq ?:patschyour reaching with that one
     
  15. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    how do you think Toney was going 12 rounds against Jirov at that pace in the kind of shape that he was in?? he should thank steroids for fighting so well in that fight